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    <description>Vaden Masrani, a senior research scientist in machine learning, and Ben Chugg, a PhD student in statistics, get into trouble arguing about everything except machine learning and statistics. Coherence is somewhere on the horizon. 
Bribes, suggestions, love-mail and hate-mail all welcome at incrementspodcast@gmail.com. 
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    <itunes:summary>Vaden Masrani, a senior research scientist in machine learning, and Ben Chugg, a PhD student in statistics, get into trouble arguing about everything except machine learning and statistics. Coherence is somewhere on the horizon. 
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  <title>#91 - The Uses and Abuses of Statistics (w/ Ben Recht)</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>What is statistics good for? Has it ever discovered anything? Where does the word "robot" come from? Ben Recht joins us to untangle these mysteries. </itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;Professor of electrical engineering and computer science Ben Recht joins us to defend Bayesianism, AI doom, and assure us that the statisticians have everything under control. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just kidding. Recht might be even more suspicious of these things than we are. What has statistics ever done for us, really? When was the last time YOU ran a clinical trial after all, huh? HUH? After Ben Chugg defends his life decision to do a PhD in statistics, we talk AI, cults, philosophy, Paul Meehl, and discuss Ben Recht's forthcoming book, &lt;a href="https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691272443/the-irrational-decision" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Irrational Decision&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Check out Ben's &lt;a href="https://www.argmin.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://people.eecs.berkeley.edu/%7Ebrecht/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;website&lt;/a&gt;, and his &lt;a href="https://mlstory.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;story about machine learning&lt;/a&gt;.    &lt;/p&gt;

We discuss

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Ben Recht's theory of blogging &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Why is Berkeley the epicenter of AI doom?&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Where the word "robot" came from &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Is Bayesian reasoning responsible for AI doom? &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Paul Meehl and his contributions to science &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Ben Recht's bureaucratic theory of statistics&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What on earth is null hypothesis testing? &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What is the point of statistics?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;"Sweet spots" and "small worlds"&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Does science proceed by Popperian means? &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Can Popper get around the Duhem-Quine problem?&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

Errata

&lt;p&gt;The z-score for the Pfizer trial was 20, not 12! &lt;/p&gt;

References

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.argmin.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Argmin&lt;/a&gt;, Ben Recht's blog&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://statistics.berkeley.edu/about/biographies/david-freedman" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;David Freedman, UC Berkeley&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/@michaelmcgovern8633/featured" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Paul Meehl's online course&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://errorstatistics.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/meehl-1978.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Theoretical Risks and Tabular Asterisks: Sir Karl, Sir Ronald, and the Slow Progress of Soft Psychology&lt;/a&gt;, Paul Meehl's 1978 paper. &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2006-21565-000" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Clinical versus statistical prediction: A theoretical analysis and a review of the evidence&lt;/a&gt;, by Meehl &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://ftp.zew.de/pub/zew-docs/veranstaltungen/ICT2013/Papers/ICT2013_Rao.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;On the near impossibility of estimating the returns to advertising&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://arxiv.org/pdf/2501.03457" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;A Bureaucratic Theory of Statistics&lt;/a&gt; by Recht &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://fitelson.org/confirmation/goodman_1955.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The new riddle of induction&lt;/a&gt; by Goodman &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.argmin.net/p/announcing-the-irrational-decision" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Announcing the Irrational Decision&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://mlstory.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Patterns, Predictions, and Actions&lt;/a&gt;, textbook by Ben Recht and Moritz Hardt&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

Socials

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Follow us on Twitter at @BeenWrekt, @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Become a patreon subscriber &lt;a href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations &lt;a href="https://ko-fi.com/increments" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Click dem like buttons on &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;youtube&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What's Berkeley's next cult? Send your guess over to &lt;a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;incrementspodcast@gmail.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
 Special Guest: Ben Recht.&lt;/p&gt;
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    <![CDATA[<p>Professor of electrical engineering and computer science Ben Recht joins us to defend Bayesianism, AI doom, and assure us that the statisticians have everything under control. </p>

<p>Just kidding. Recht might be even more suspicious of these things than we are. What has statistics ever done for us, really? When was the last time YOU ran a clinical trial after all, huh? HUH? After Ben Chugg defends his life decision to do a PhD in statistics, we talk AI, cults, philosophy, Paul Meehl, and discuss Ben Recht&#39;s forthcoming book, <a href="https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691272443/the-irrational-decision" rel="nofollow">The Irrational Decision</a>. </p>

<p>Check out Ben&#39;s <a href="https://www.argmin.net/" rel="nofollow">blog</a>, <a href="https://people.eecs.berkeley.edu/%7Ebrecht/" rel="nofollow">website</a>, and his <a href="https://mlstory.org/" rel="nofollow">story about machine learning</a>.    </p>

<h1>We discuss</h1>

<ul>
<li>Ben Recht&#39;s theory of blogging </li>
<li>Why is Berkeley the epicenter of AI doom?<br></li>
<li>Where the word &quot;robot&quot; came from </li>
<li>Is Bayesian reasoning responsible for AI doom? </li>
<li>Paul Meehl and his contributions to science </li>
<li>Ben Recht&#39;s bureaucratic theory of statistics</li>
<li>What on earth is null hypothesis testing? </li>
<li>What is the point of statistics?</li>
<li>&quot;Sweet spots&quot; and &quot;small worlds&quot;</li>
<li>Does science proceed by Popperian means? </li>
<li>Can Popper get around the Duhem-Quine problem?<br></li>
</ul>

<h1>Errata</h1>

<p>The z-score for the Pfizer trial was 20, not 12! </p>

<h1>References</h1>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.argmin.net/" rel="nofollow">Argmin</a>, Ben Recht&#39;s blog</li>
<li><a href="https://statistics.berkeley.edu/about/biographies/david-freedman" rel="nofollow">David Freedman, UC Berkeley</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@michaelmcgovern8633/featured" rel="nofollow">Paul Meehl&#39;s online course</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://errorstatistics.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/meehl-1978.pdf" rel="nofollow">Theoretical Risks and Tabular Asterisks: Sir Karl, Sir Ronald, and the Slow Progress of Soft Psychology</a>, Paul Meehl&#39;s 1978 paper. </li>
<li><a href="https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2006-21565-000" rel="nofollow">Clinical versus statistical prediction: A theoretical analysis and a review of the evidence</a>, by Meehl </li>
<li><a href="https://ftp.zew.de/pub/zew-docs/veranstaltungen/ICT2013/Papers/ICT2013_Rao.pdf" rel="nofollow">On the near impossibility of estimating the returns to advertising</a></li>
<li><a href="https://arxiv.org/pdf/2501.03457" rel="nofollow">A Bureaucratic Theory of Statistics</a> by Recht </li>
<li><a href="https://fitelson.org/confirmation/goodman_1955.pdf" rel="nofollow">The new riddle of induction</a> by Goodman </li>
<li><a href="https://www.argmin.net/p/announcing-the-irrational-decision" rel="nofollow">Announcing the Irrational Decision</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://mlstory.org/" rel="nofollow">Patterns, Predictions, and Actions</a>, textbook by Ben Recht and Moritz Hardt</li>
</ul>

<h1>Socials</h1>

<ul>
<li>Follow us on Twitter at @BeenWrekt, @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani</li>
<li>Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link</li>
<li>Become a patreon subscriber <a href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations <a href="https://ko-fi.com/increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</li>
<li>Click dem like buttons on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow">youtube</a></li>
</ul>

<p>What&#39;s Berkeley&#39;s next cult? Send your guess over to <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a></p><p>Special Guest: Ben Recht.</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Professor of electrical engineering and computer science Ben Recht joins us to defend Bayesianism, AI doom, and assure us that the statisticians have everything under control. </p>

<p>Just kidding. Recht might be even more suspicious of these things than we are. What has statistics ever done for us, really? When was the last time YOU ran a clinical trial after all, huh? HUH? After Ben Chugg defends his life decision to do a PhD in statistics, we talk AI, cults, philosophy, Paul Meehl, and discuss Ben Recht&#39;s forthcoming book, <a href="https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691272443/the-irrational-decision" rel="nofollow">The Irrational Decision</a>. </p>

<p>Check out Ben&#39;s <a href="https://www.argmin.net/" rel="nofollow">blog</a>, <a href="https://people.eecs.berkeley.edu/%7Ebrecht/" rel="nofollow">website</a>, and his <a href="https://mlstory.org/" rel="nofollow">story about machine learning</a>.    </p>

<h1>We discuss</h1>

<ul>
<li>Ben Recht&#39;s theory of blogging </li>
<li>Why is Berkeley the epicenter of AI doom?<br></li>
<li>Where the word &quot;robot&quot; came from </li>
<li>Is Bayesian reasoning responsible for AI doom? </li>
<li>Paul Meehl and his contributions to science </li>
<li>Ben Recht&#39;s bureaucratic theory of statistics</li>
<li>What on earth is null hypothesis testing? </li>
<li>What is the point of statistics?</li>
<li>&quot;Sweet spots&quot; and &quot;small worlds&quot;</li>
<li>Does science proceed by Popperian means? </li>
<li>Can Popper get around the Duhem-Quine problem?<br></li>
</ul>

<h1>Errata</h1>

<p>The z-score for the Pfizer trial was 20, not 12! </p>

<h1>References</h1>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.argmin.net/" rel="nofollow">Argmin</a>, Ben Recht&#39;s blog</li>
<li><a href="https://statistics.berkeley.edu/about/biographies/david-freedman" rel="nofollow">David Freedman, UC Berkeley</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@michaelmcgovern8633/featured" rel="nofollow">Paul Meehl&#39;s online course</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://errorstatistics.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/meehl-1978.pdf" rel="nofollow">Theoretical Risks and Tabular Asterisks: Sir Karl, Sir Ronald, and the Slow Progress of Soft Psychology</a>, Paul Meehl&#39;s 1978 paper. </li>
<li><a href="https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2006-21565-000" rel="nofollow">Clinical versus statistical prediction: A theoretical analysis and a review of the evidence</a>, by Meehl </li>
<li><a href="https://ftp.zew.de/pub/zew-docs/veranstaltungen/ICT2013/Papers/ICT2013_Rao.pdf" rel="nofollow">On the near impossibility of estimating the returns to advertising</a></li>
<li><a href="https://arxiv.org/pdf/2501.03457" rel="nofollow">A Bureaucratic Theory of Statistics</a> by Recht </li>
<li><a href="https://fitelson.org/confirmation/goodman_1955.pdf" rel="nofollow">The new riddle of induction</a> by Goodman </li>
<li><a href="https://www.argmin.net/p/announcing-the-irrational-decision" rel="nofollow">Announcing the Irrational Decision</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://mlstory.org/" rel="nofollow">Patterns, Predictions, and Actions</a>, textbook by Ben Recht and Moritz Hardt</li>
</ul>

<h1>Socials</h1>

<ul>
<li>Follow us on Twitter at @BeenWrekt, @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani</li>
<li>Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link</li>
<li>Become a patreon subscriber <a href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations <a href="https://ko-fi.com/increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</li>
<li>Click dem like buttons on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow">youtube</a></li>
</ul>

<p>What&#39;s Berkeley&#39;s next cult? Send your guess over to <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a></p><p>Special Guest: Ben Recht.</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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  <title>#74 - Disagreeing about Belief, Probability, and Truth (w/ David Deutsch)</title>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2024 09:30:00 -0700</pubDate>
  <author>Ben Chugg and Vaden Masrani</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>We talk with David Deutsch about whether the concept of belief is a useful lens on human cognition, when probability and statistics are actually useful, and whether he disagrees with Karl Popper about the truth. </itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;What do you do when one of your intellectual idols comes on the podcast? Bombard them with disagreements of course. We were thrilled to have David Deutsch on the podcast to discuss whether the concept of belief is a useful lens on human cognition, when probability and statistics should be deployed, and whether he disagrees with Karl Popper on abstractions, the truth, and nothing but the truth. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Follow David on Twitter (@DavidDeutschOxf) or find his website &lt;a href="https://www.daviddeutsch.org.uk/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;

We discuss

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Whether belief is a fruitful lens through which to analyze ideas &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Whether a non-quantitative form of belief can be defended &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;How does belief bottom out epistemologically? &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Whether statistics and probability are useful &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Where should statistics and probability be used in practice? &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The Popper-Miller theorem&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Statements vs propositions and their relevance for truth &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Whether Popper and Deutsch disagree about truth &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

References

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The Popper-Miller theorem. See the &lt;a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/302687a0" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;original paper&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;David's 2021 talk on the &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ-opI-jghs" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;correspondence theory of truth&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;David's talk on &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfzSE4Hoxbc" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;physics without probability&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_paradox" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Hempel's paradox&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Infinity-Explanations-Transform-World/dp/0143121359" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Beginning of Infinity&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.amazon.ca/Knowledge-Body-Mind-Problem-Defence-Interaction/dp/0415135567" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Knowledge and the Body-Mind Problem&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

Socials

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani, @DavidDeutschOxf&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Believe in us and get exclusive bonus content by becoming a patreon subscriber &lt;a href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations &lt;a href="https://ko-fi.com/increments" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Click dem like buttons on &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;youtube&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What's the truth about your belief on the probability of useful statistics? Tell us over at &lt;a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;incrementspodcast@gmail.com&lt;/a&gt;.  Special Guest: David Deutsch.&lt;/p&gt;
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  <itunes:keywords>probability, statistics, truth, belief, epistemology, certainty, mathematics</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>What do you do when one of your intellectual idols comes on the podcast? Bombard them with disagreements of course. We were thrilled to have David Deutsch on the podcast to discuss whether the concept of belief is a useful lens on human cognition, when probability and statistics should be deployed, and whether he disagrees with Karl Popper on abstractions, the truth, and nothing but the truth. </p>

<p>Follow David on Twitter (@DavidDeutschOxf) or find his website <a href="https://www.daviddeutsch.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. </p>

<h1>We discuss</h1>

<ul>
<li>Whether belief is a fruitful lens through which to analyze ideas </li>
<li>Whether a non-quantitative form of belief can be defended </li>
<li>How does belief bottom out epistemologically? </li>
<li>Whether statistics and probability are useful </li>
<li>Where should statistics and probability be used in practice? </li>
<li>The Popper-Miller theorem</li>
<li>Statements vs propositions and their relevance for truth </li>
<li>Whether Popper and Deutsch disagree about truth </li>
</ul>

<h1>References</h1>

<ul>
<li>The Popper-Miller theorem. See the <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/302687a0" rel="nofollow">original paper</a> </li>
<li>David&#39;s 2021 talk on the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ-opI-jghs" rel="nofollow">correspondence theory of truth</a> </li>
<li>David&#39;s talk on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfzSE4Hoxbc" rel="nofollow">physics without probability</a>. </li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_paradox" rel="nofollow">Hempel&#39;s paradox</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Infinity-Explanations-Transform-World/dp/0143121359" rel="nofollow">The Beginning of Infinity</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.ca/Knowledge-Body-Mind-Problem-Defence-Interaction/dp/0415135567" rel="nofollow">Knowledge and the Body-Mind Problem</a></li>
</ul>

<h1>Socials</h1>

<ul>
<li>Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani, @DavidDeutschOxf</li>
<li>Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link</li>
<li>Believe in us and get exclusive bonus content by becoming a patreon subscriber <a href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations <a href="https://ko-fi.com/increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</li>
<li>Click dem like buttons on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow">youtube</a></li>
</ul>

<p>What&#39;s the truth about your belief on the probability of useful statistics? Tell us over at <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a>. </p><p>Special Guest: David Deutsch.</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>What do you do when one of your intellectual idols comes on the podcast? Bombard them with disagreements of course. We were thrilled to have David Deutsch on the podcast to discuss whether the concept of belief is a useful lens on human cognition, when probability and statistics should be deployed, and whether he disagrees with Karl Popper on abstractions, the truth, and nothing but the truth. </p>

<p>Follow David on Twitter (@DavidDeutschOxf) or find his website <a href="https://www.daviddeutsch.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. </p>

<h1>We discuss</h1>

<ul>
<li>Whether belief is a fruitful lens through which to analyze ideas </li>
<li>Whether a non-quantitative form of belief can be defended </li>
<li>How does belief bottom out epistemologically? </li>
<li>Whether statistics and probability are useful </li>
<li>Where should statistics and probability be used in practice? </li>
<li>The Popper-Miller theorem</li>
<li>Statements vs propositions and their relevance for truth </li>
<li>Whether Popper and Deutsch disagree about truth </li>
</ul>

<h1>References</h1>

<ul>
<li>The Popper-Miller theorem. See the <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/302687a0" rel="nofollow">original paper</a> </li>
<li>David&#39;s 2021 talk on the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ-opI-jghs" rel="nofollow">correspondence theory of truth</a> </li>
<li>David&#39;s talk on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfzSE4Hoxbc" rel="nofollow">physics without probability</a>. </li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_paradox" rel="nofollow">Hempel&#39;s paradox</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Infinity-Explanations-Transform-World/dp/0143121359" rel="nofollow">The Beginning of Infinity</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.ca/Knowledge-Body-Mind-Problem-Defence-Interaction/dp/0415135567" rel="nofollow">Knowledge and the Body-Mind Problem</a></li>
</ul>

<h1>Socials</h1>

<ul>
<li>Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani, @DavidDeutschOxf</li>
<li>Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link</li>
<li>Believe in us and get exclusive bonus content by becoming a patreon subscriber <a href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations <a href="https://ko-fi.com/increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</li>
<li>Click dem like buttons on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow">youtube</a></li>
</ul>

<p>What&#39;s the truth about your belief on the probability of useful statistics? Tell us over at <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a>. </p><p>Special Guest: David Deutsch.</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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  <title>#46 (Bonus) - Arguing about probability (with Nick Anyos)</title>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2022 12:30:00 -0800</pubDate>
  <author>Ben Chugg and Vaden Masrani</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>Ben and Vaden make a guest appearance on Nick Anyos' podcast on criticisms of effective altruism. As usual, they end up arguing about probability for most of it. </itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;We make a guest appearance on Nick Anyos' podcast to talk about effective altruism, longtermism, and probability. Nick (very politely) pushes back on our anti-Bayesian credo, and we get deep into the weeds of probability and epistemology. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You can find Nick's podcast on institutional design &lt;a href="https://institutionaldesign.podbean.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and his substack &lt;a href="https://institutionaldesign.substack.com/?utm_source=substack&amp;amp;utm_medium=web&amp;amp;utm_campaign=substack_profile" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We discuss:&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The lack of feedback loops in longtermism &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Whether quantifying your beliefs is helpful &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Objective versus subjective knowledge &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The difference between prediction and explanation&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The difference between Bayesian epistemology and Bayesian statistics&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Statistical modelling and when statistics is useful &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Links&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="http://www.stat.columbia.edu/%7Egelman/research/published/philosophy.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Philosophy and the practice of Bayesian statistics&lt;/a&gt; by Andrew Gelman and Cosma Shalizi&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/hqkyaHLQhzuREcXSX/data-on-forecasting-accuracy-across-different-time-horizons#Calibrations" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;EA forum post&lt;/a&gt; showing all forecasts beyond a year out are uncalibrated. &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Vaclav smil quote where he predicts a pandemic by 2021:&lt;br&gt;
 &amp;gt; &lt;em&gt;The following realities indicate the imminence of the risk. The typical frequency of influenza pan- demics was once every 50–60 years between 1700 and 1889 (the longest known gap was 52 years, between the pandemics of 1729–1733 and 1781–1782) and only once every 10–40 years since 1889. The recurrence interval, calculated simply as the mean time elapsed between the last six known pandemics, is about 28 years, with the extremes of 6 and 53 years. Adding the mean and the highest interval to 1968 gives a span between 1996 and 2021. We are, probabilistically speaking, very much inside a high-risk zone.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br&gt;
 &amp;gt; &lt;br&gt;
 &amp;gt; &lt;em&gt;- Global Catastropes and Trends, p.46&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Reference for Tetlock's superforecasters failing to predict the pandemic. &lt;a href="https://wearenotsaved.com/2020/04/18/pandemic-uncovers-the-ridiculousness-of-superforecasting/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;"On February 20th, Tetlock’s superforecasters predicted only a 3% chance that there would be 200,000+ coronavirus cases a month later (there were)."&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Contact us&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Check us out on youtube at &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Errata&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;At the beginning of the episode Vaden says he hasn't been interviewed on another podcast before. He forgot &lt;a href="https://www.thedeclarationonline.com/podcast/2019/7/23/chesto-and-vaden-debatecast" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;his appearence&lt;/a&gt; on The Declaration Podcast in 2019, which will be appearing as a bonus episode on our feed in the coming weeks. &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sick of hearing us talk about this subject? Understandable! Send topic suggestions over to &lt;a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;incrementspodcast@gmail.com&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Photo credit: &lt;a href="http://www.obrien-studio.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;James O’Brien&lt;/a&gt; for &lt;a href="https://www.quantamagazine.org/where-quantum-probability-comes-from-20190909/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Quanta Magazine&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
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    <![CDATA[<p>We make a guest appearance on Nick Anyos&#39; podcast to talk about effective altruism, longtermism, and probability. Nick (very politely) pushes back on our anti-Bayesian credo, and we get deep into the weeds of probability and epistemology. </p>

<p>You can find Nick&#39;s podcast on institutional design <a href="https://institutionaldesign.podbean.com/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, and his substack <a href="https://institutionaldesign.substack.com/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=substack_profile" rel="nofollow">here</a>. </p>

<p><strong>We discuss:</strong> </p>

<ul>
<li>The lack of feedback loops in longtermism </li>
<li>Whether quantifying your beliefs is helpful </li>
<li>Objective versus subjective knowledge </li>
<li>The difference between prediction and explanation</li>
<li>The difference between Bayesian epistemology and Bayesian statistics</li>
<li>Statistical modelling and when statistics is useful </li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Links</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.stat.columbia.edu/%7Egelman/research/published/philosophy.pdf" rel="nofollow">Philosophy and the practice of Bayesian statistics</a> by Andrew Gelman and Cosma Shalizi</li>
<li><a href="https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/hqkyaHLQhzuREcXSX/data-on-forecasting-accuracy-across-different-time-horizons#Calibrations" rel="nofollow">EA forum post</a> showing all forecasts beyond a year out are uncalibrated. </li>
<li><p>Vaclav smil quote where he predicts a pandemic by 2021:</p>

<blockquote>
<p><em>The following realities indicate the imminence of the risk. The typical frequency of influenza pan- demics was once every 50–60 years between 1700 and 1889 (the longest known gap was 52 years, between the pandemics of 1729–1733 and 1781–1782) and only once every 10–40 years since 1889. The recurrence interval, calculated simply as the mean time elapsed between the last six known pandemics, is about 28 years, with the extremes of 6 and 53 years. Adding the mean and the highest interval to 1968 gives a span between 1996 and 2021. We are, probabilistically speaking, very much inside a high-risk zone.</em></p>

<p><em>- Global Catastropes and Trends, p.46</em></p>
</blockquote></li>
<li><p>Reference for Tetlock&#39;s superforecasters failing to predict the pandemic. <a href="https://wearenotsaved.com/2020/04/18/pandemic-uncovers-the-ridiculousness-of-superforecasting/" rel="nofollow">&quot;On February 20th, Tetlock’s superforecasters predicted only a 3% chance that there would be 200,000+ coronavirus cases a month later (there were).&quot;</a> </p></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Contact us</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani</li>
<li>Check us out on youtube at <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ</a></li>
<li>Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link</li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Errata</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>At the beginning of the episode Vaden says he hasn&#39;t been interviewed on another podcast before. He forgot <a href="https://www.thedeclarationonline.com/podcast/2019/7/23/chesto-and-vaden-debatecast" rel="nofollow">his appearence</a> on The Declaration Podcast in 2019, which will be appearing as a bonus episode on our feed in the coming weeks. </li>
</ul>

<p>Sick of hearing us talk about this subject? Understandable! Send topic suggestions over to <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a>. </p>

<p>Photo credit: <a href="http://www.obrien-studio.com/" rel="nofollow">James O’Brien</a> for <a href="https://www.quantamagazine.org/where-quantum-probability-comes-from-20190909/" rel="nofollow">Quanta Magazine</a></p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>We make a guest appearance on Nick Anyos&#39; podcast to talk about effective altruism, longtermism, and probability. Nick (very politely) pushes back on our anti-Bayesian credo, and we get deep into the weeds of probability and epistemology. </p>

<p>You can find Nick&#39;s podcast on institutional design <a href="https://institutionaldesign.podbean.com/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, and his substack <a href="https://institutionaldesign.substack.com/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=substack_profile" rel="nofollow">here</a>. </p>

<p><strong>We discuss:</strong> </p>

<ul>
<li>The lack of feedback loops in longtermism </li>
<li>Whether quantifying your beliefs is helpful </li>
<li>Objective versus subjective knowledge </li>
<li>The difference between prediction and explanation</li>
<li>The difference between Bayesian epistemology and Bayesian statistics</li>
<li>Statistical modelling and when statistics is useful </li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Links</strong></p>

<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.stat.columbia.edu/%7Egelman/research/published/philosophy.pdf" rel="nofollow">Philosophy and the practice of Bayesian statistics</a> by Andrew Gelman and Cosma Shalizi</li>
<li><a href="https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/hqkyaHLQhzuREcXSX/data-on-forecasting-accuracy-across-different-time-horizons#Calibrations" rel="nofollow">EA forum post</a> showing all forecasts beyond a year out are uncalibrated. </li>
<li><p>Vaclav smil quote where he predicts a pandemic by 2021:</p>

<blockquote>
<p><em>The following realities indicate the imminence of the risk. The typical frequency of influenza pan- demics was once every 50–60 years between 1700 and 1889 (the longest known gap was 52 years, between the pandemics of 1729–1733 and 1781–1782) and only once every 10–40 years since 1889. The recurrence interval, calculated simply as the mean time elapsed between the last six known pandemics, is about 28 years, with the extremes of 6 and 53 years. Adding the mean and the highest interval to 1968 gives a span between 1996 and 2021. We are, probabilistically speaking, very much inside a high-risk zone.</em></p>

<p><em>- Global Catastropes and Trends, p.46</em></p>
</blockquote></li>
<li><p>Reference for Tetlock&#39;s superforecasters failing to predict the pandemic. <a href="https://wearenotsaved.com/2020/04/18/pandemic-uncovers-the-ridiculousness-of-superforecasting/" rel="nofollow">&quot;On February 20th, Tetlock’s superforecasters predicted only a 3% chance that there would be 200,000+ coronavirus cases a month later (there were).&quot;</a> </p></li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Contact us</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani</li>
<li>Check us out on youtube at <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ</a></li>
<li>Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link</li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Errata</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>At the beginning of the episode Vaden says he hasn&#39;t been interviewed on another podcast before. He forgot <a href="https://www.thedeclarationonline.com/podcast/2019/7/23/chesto-and-vaden-debatecast" rel="nofollow">his appearence</a> on The Declaration Podcast in 2019, which will be appearing as a bonus episode on our feed in the coming weeks. </li>
</ul>

<p>Sick of hearing us talk about this subject? Understandable! Send topic suggestions over to <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a>. </p>

<p>Photo credit: <a href="http://www.obrien-studio.com/" rel="nofollow">James O’Brien</a> for <a href="https://www.quantamagazine.org/where-quantum-probability-comes-from-20190909/" rel="nofollow">Quanta Magazine</a></p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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