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    <description>Vaden Masrani, a senior research scientist in machine learning, and Ben Chugg, a PhD student in statistics, get into trouble arguing about everything except machine learning and statistics. Coherence is somewhere on the horizon. 
Bribes, suggestions, love-mail and hate-mail all welcome at incrementspodcast@gmail.com. 
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  <title>#92 - Confronting the Paradox of Tolerance: Christianity in the age of Trump (w/ Jonathan Rauch)</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>Jonathan Rauch explains why he's radical incrementalist, how to uphold the constitution of knowledge, and his view on the fight for the heart of Christianity. </itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;We're joined by Jonathan Rauch to discuss what it means to be a radical incrementalist, how to foment revolution on geological timescales, and whether Christianity can be a force for good in politics. Can Jon convince angry-Hitchens-atheist Vaden that Christianity has some benefits? Will both Vaden and Ben be at Sunday prayer? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Follow Jonathan on his &lt;a href="https://www.jonathanrauch.com/about.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;website&lt;/a&gt;, at &lt;a href="https://www.brookings.edu/people/jonathan-rauch/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Brookings&lt;/a&gt;, at &lt;a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/author/jonathan-rauch/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Atlantic&lt;/a&gt; or on &lt;a href="https://bsky.app/profile/jonrauch.bsky.social" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Bluesky&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;

We discuss

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The constitution of knowledge and whether it's holding &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Norms vs laws, and whether we should introduce more laws to codify norms &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Popper's paradox of tolerance&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;How should liberals respond to illiberalism? Which tactics, if any, should democrats adopt from MAGA to fight MAGA?&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Sharp Christianity and Christian nationalism &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Rauch's plea to Christians &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

References

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.amazon.com/Constitution-Knowledge-Jonathan-Rauch/dp/0815738862" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Constitution of Knowledge: A Defense of Truth&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.amazon.com/Cross-Purposes-Christianitys-Bargain-Democracy/dp/0300273541" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Cross Purposes: Christianity's Broken Bargain with Democracy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

Errata

&lt;p&gt;Jonathan Rauch is the author of nine books, not eight! &lt;/p&gt;

Socials

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Follow us on Twitter at @JonRauch, @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Become a patreon subscriber &lt;a href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations &lt;a href="https://ko-fi.com/increments" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Click dem like buttons on &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;youtube&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyone in Canada have a basement suite Jonathan could rent for a while? Send your address over to &lt;a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;incrementspodcast@gmail.com&lt;/a&gt; Special Guest: Jonathan Rauch.&lt;/p&gt;
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    <![CDATA[<p>We&#39;re joined by Jonathan Rauch to discuss what it means to be a radical incrementalist, how to foment revolution on geological timescales, and whether Christianity can be a force for good in politics. Can Jon convince angry-Hitchens-atheist Vaden that Christianity has some benefits? Will both Vaden and Ben be at Sunday prayer? </p>

<p>Follow Jonathan on his <a href="https://www.jonathanrauch.com/about.html" rel="nofollow">website</a>, at <a href="https://www.brookings.edu/people/jonathan-rauch/" rel="nofollow">Brookings</a>, at <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/author/jonathan-rauch/" rel="nofollow">The Atlantic</a> or on <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/jonrauch.bsky.social" rel="nofollow">Bluesky</a>. </p>

<h1>We discuss</h1>

<ul>
<li>The constitution of knowledge and whether it&#39;s holding </li>
<li>Norms vs laws, and whether we should introduce more laws to codify norms </li>
<li>Popper&#39;s paradox of tolerance</li>
<li>How should liberals respond to illiberalism? Which tactics, if any, should democrats adopt from MAGA to fight MAGA?<br></li>
<li>Sharp Christianity and Christian nationalism </li>
<li>Rauch&#39;s plea to Christians </li>
</ul>

<h1>References</h1>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Constitution-Knowledge-Jonathan-Rauch/dp/0815738862" rel="nofollow">The Constitution of Knowledge: A Defense of Truth</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Cross-Purposes-Christianitys-Bargain-Democracy/dp/0300273541" rel="nofollow">Cross Purposes: Christianity&#39;s Broken Bargain with Democracy</a></li>
</ul>

<h1>Errata</h1>

<p>Jonathan Rauch is the author of nine books, not eight! </p>

<h1>Socials</h1>

<ul>
<li>Follow us on Twitter at @JonRauch, @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani</li>
<li>Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link</li>
<li>Become a patreon subscriber <a href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations <a href="https://ko-fi.com/increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</li>
<li>Click dem like buttons on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow">youtube</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Anyone in Canada have a basement suite Jonathan could rent for a while? Send your address over to <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a></p><p>Special Guest: Jonathan Rauch.</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>We&#39;re joined by Jonathan Rauch to discuss what it means to be a radical incrementalist, how to foment revolution on geological timescales, and whether Christianity can be a force for good in politics. Can Jon convince angry-Hitchens-atheist Vaden that Christianity has some benefits? Will both Vaden and Ben be at Sunday prayer? </p>

<p>Follow Jonathan on his <a href="https://www.jonathanrauch.com/about.html" rel="nofollow">website</a>, at <a href="https://www.brookings.edu/people/jonathan-rauch/" rel="nofollow">Brookings</a>, at <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/author/jonathan-rauch/" rel="nofollow">The Atlantic</a> or on <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/jonrauch.bsky.social" rel="nofollow">Bluesky</a>. </p>

<h1>We discuss</h1>

<ul>
<li>The constitution of knowledge and whether it&#39;s holding </li>
<li>Norms vs laws, and whether we should introduce more laws to codify norms </li>
<li>Popper&#39;s paradox of tolerance</li>
<li>How should liberals respond to illiberalism? Which tactics, if any, should democrats adopt from MAGA to fight MAGA?<br></li>
<li>Sharp Christianity and Christian nationalism </li>
<li>Rauch&#39;s plea to Christians </li>
</ul>

<h1>References</h1>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Constitution-Knowledge-Jonathan-Rauch/dp/0815738862" rel="nofollow">The Constitution of Knowledge: A Defense of Truth</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Cross-Purposes-Christianitys-Bargain-Democracy/dp/0300273541" rel="nofollow">Cross Purposes: Christianity&#39;s Broken Bargain with Democracy</a></li>
</ul>

<h1>Errata</h1>

<p>Jonathan Rauch is the author of nine books, not eight! </p>

<h1>Socials</h1>

<ul>
<li>Follow us on Twitter at @JonRauch, @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani</li>
<li>Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link</li>
<li>Become a patreon subscriber <a href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations <a href="https://ko-fi.com/increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</li>
<li>Click dem like buttons on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow">youtube</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Anyone in Canada have a basement suite Jonathan could rent for a while? Send your address over to <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a></p><p>Special Guest: Jonathan Rauch.</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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