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    <title>Increments - Episodes Tagged with “Philosophy”</title>
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    <pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2026 13:15:00 -0700</pubDate>
    <description>Vaden Masrani, a senior research scientist in machine learning, and Ben Chugg, a PhD student in statistics, get into trouble arguing about everything except machine learning and statistics. Coherence is somewhere on the horizon. 
Bribes, suggestions, love-mail and hate-mail all welcome at incrementspodcast@gmail.com. 
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    <itunes:subtitle>Science, Philosophy, Epistemology, Mayhem</itunes:subtitle>
    <itunes:author>Ben Chugg and Vaden Masrani</itunes:author>
    <itunes:summary>Vaden Masrani, a senior research scientist in machine learning, and Ben Chugg, a PhD student in statistics, get into trouble arguing about everything except machine learning and statistics. Coherence is somewhere on the horizon. 
Bribes, suggestions, love-mail and hate-mail all welcome at incrementspodcast@gmail.com. 
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  <title>#102 - Criticizing Crit-rats (w/ Bruce Nielson and Peter Johansen)</title>
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  <author>Ben Chugg and Vaden Masrani</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>We turn on our own tribe and criticize some of the bad memes that have engulfed the online critical rationalist community</itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;Turning on our own! Vaden sits down with Bruce Nielson and Peter Johansen to discuss some of the bad memes that run rampant in the online "crit-rat" community, in an attempt of some intra-tribal error-correction. Ben, scared of the retribution, runs away with his tail uncomfortably close to his thighs.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Follow Bruce and Peter's work on the &lt;a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-theory-of-anything/id1503194218" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Theory of Anything Podcast&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sign up for the Theory of Anything podcast Patreon &lt;a href="https://www.patreon.com/BruceNielson" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and Check out Peter's Many World of David Deutsch facebook group &lt;a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2188597894605769/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;

We discuss

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Bruce and Peter's origin stories&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Anarcho-capitalism and its (pseudo) connections to Popperian philosophy&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;CritRat disbelief in mental illness&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What does the Universal Explainer hypothesis imply about mental illness and IQ?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Is Anarcho-capitalism a foundationalist and utopian philosophy?&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Why are so many crit-rats Trump supporters?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

See Also

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/4LLsyWoshSYgydl6QddW3Y" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Theory of Anything Podcast #136: Michael Golding on Mental Illness&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/4LLsyWoshSYgydl6QddW3Y" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Theory of Anything Podcast #82: Popper's Ratchet&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

Socials

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani, @bnielson01&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Become a patreon subscriber &lt;a href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations &lt;a href="https://ko-fi.com/increments" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Click dem like buttons on &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;youtube&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I before E except after B? Send your best guess as to the spelling of Bruce's last name (no one knows) over to &lt;a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;incrementspodcast@gmail.com&lt;/a&gt;. Special Guest: Bruce Nielson.&lt;/p&gt;
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    <![CDATA[<p>Turning on our own! Vaden sits down with Bruce Nielson and Peter Johansen to discuss some of the bad memes that run rampant in the online &quot;crit-rat&quot; community, in an attempt of some intra-tribal error-correction. Ben, scared of the retribution, runs away with his tail uncomfortably close to his thighs.</p>

<p>Follow Bruce and Peter&#39;s work on the <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-theory-of-anything/id1503194218" rel="nofollow">Theory of Anything Podcast</a>.</p>

<p>Sign up for the Theory of Anything podcast Patreon <a href="https://www.patreon.com/BruceNielson" rel="nofollow">here</a>, and Check out Peter&#39;s Many World of David Deutsch facebook group <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2188597894605769/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. </p>

<h1>We discuss</h1>

<ul>
<li>Bruce and Peter&#39;s origin stories</li>
<li>Anarcho-capitalism and its (pseudo) connections to Popperian philosophy</li>
<li>CritRat disbelief in mental illness</li>
<li>What does the Universal Explainer hypothesis imply about mental illness and IQ?</li>
<li>Is Anarcho-capitalism a foundationalist and utopian philosophy?<br></li>
<li>Why are so many crit-rats Trump supporters?</li>
</ul>

<h1>See Also</h1>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/4LLsyWoshSYgydl6QddW3Y" rel="nofollow">Theory of Anything Podcast #136: Michael Golding on Mental Illness</a></li>
<li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/4LLsyWoshSYgydl6QddW3Y" rel="nofollow">Theory of Anything Podcast #82: Popper&#39;s Ratchet</a></li>
</ul>

<h1>Socials</h1>

<ul>
<li>Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani, @bnielson01</li>
<li>Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link</li>
<li>Become a patreon subscriber <a href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations <a href="https://ko-fi.com/increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</li>
<li>Click dem like buttons on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow">youtube</a></li>
</ul>

<p>I before E except after B? Send your best guess as to the spelling of Bruce&#39;s last name (no one knows) over to <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Bruce Nielson.</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Turning on our own! Vaden sits down with Bruce Nielson and Peter Johansen to discuss some of the bad memes that run rampant in the online &quot;crit-rat&quot; community, in an attempt of some intra-tribal error-correction. Ben, scared of the retribution, runs away with his tail uncomfortably close to his thighs.</p>

<p>Follow Bruce and Peter&#39;s work on the <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-theory-of-anything/id1503194218" rel="nofollow">Theory of Anything Podcast</a>.</p>

<p>Sign up for the Theory of Anything podcast Patreon <a href="https://www.patreon.com/BruceNielson" rel="nofollow">here</a>, and Check out Peter&#39;s Many World of David Deutsch facebook group <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2188597894605769/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. </p>

<h1>We discuss</h1>

<ul>
<li>Bruce and Peter&#39;s origin stories</li>
<li>Anarcho-capitalism and its (pseudo) connections to Popperian philosophy</li>
<li>CritRat disbelief in mental illness</li>
<li>What does the Universal Explainer hypothesis imply about mental illness and IQ?</li>
<li>Is Anarcho-capitalism a foundationalist and utopian philosophy?<br></li>
<li>Why are so many crit-rats Trump supporters?</li>
</ul>

<h1>See Also</h1>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/4LLsyWoshSYgydl6QddW3Y" rel="nofollow">Theory of Anything Podcast #136: Michael Golding on Mental Illness</a></li>
<li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/4LLsyWoshSYgydl6QddW3Y" rel="nofollow">Theory of Anything Podcast #82: Popper&#39;s Ratchet</a></li>
</ul>

<h1>Socials</h1>

<ul>
<li>Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani, @bnielson01</li>
<li>Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link</li>
<li>Become a patreon subscriber <a href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations <a href="https://ko-fi.com/increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</li>
<li>Click dem like buttons on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow">youtube</a></li>
</ul>

<p>I before E except after B? Send your best guess as to the spelling of Bruce&#39;s last name (no one knows) over to <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Bruce Nielson.</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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  <title>#81 - What Does Critical Rationalism Get Wrong? (w/ Kasra) </title>
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  <pubDate>Thu, 13 Feb 2025 16:15:00 -0800</pubDate>
  <author>Ben Chugg and Vaden Masrani</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>We have Kasra on to discuss his essay "'The Deutschian Deadend," about the ways he thinks the philosophies of Karl Popper and David Deutsch are fundamentally wrong. </itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;As whores for criticism, we wanted to have Kasra on to discuss his essay &lt;a href="https://www.bitsofwonder.co/p/the-deutschian-deadend" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Deutschian Deadend&lt;/a&gt;. Kasra claims that Popper and Deutsch are fundamentally wrong in some important ways, and that many of their ideas will forever remain in the "footnotes of the history of philosophy". Does he change our mind or do we change his? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Follow Kasra on &lt;a href="https://x.com/kasratweets" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;twitter&lt;/a&gt; and subscribe to his blog, &lt;a href="https://www.bitsofwonder.co/p/the-deutschian-deadend" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Bits of Wonder&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;

We discuss

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Has Popper had of a cultural impact? &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The differences between Popper, Deutsch, and Deutsch's bulldogs. &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Is observation really theory laden?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The hierarchy of reliability: do different disciplines have different methods of criticism? &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The ladder of abstractions &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The difference between Popper and Deutsch on truth and abstraction &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The Deutschian community's reaction to the essay &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

References

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Bruce Nielson's podcast on verification and falsification: &lt;a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/38tGZnBlHK3vZHjyLgSs4C" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://open.spotify.com/episode/38tGZnBlHK3vZHjyLgSs4C&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Popper on certainty: Chapter 22. Analytical Remarks on Certainty in Objective Knowledge&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

Quotes

&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; By the nature of Deutsch and Popper’s ideas being abstract, this essay will also necessarily be abstract. To combat this, let me ground the whole essay in a concrete empirical bet: Popper’s ideas about epistemology, and David Deutsch’s extensions of them, will forever remain in the footnotes of the history of philosophy. Popper’s falsificationism, which was the main idea that he’s widely known for today, will continue to remain the only thing that he’s widely known for. The frustrating fact that Wittgenstein is widely regarded as a more influential philosopher than Popper will continue to remain true. Critical rationalism will never be widely recognized as the “one correct epistemology,” as the actual explanation (or even the precursor to an explanation) of knowledge, progress, and creativity. Instead it will be viewed, like many philosophical schools before it, as a useful and ambitious project that ultimately failed. In other words, critical rationalism is a kind of philosophical deadend: the Deutschian deadend.&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; - Kasra in the Deutschian Deadend&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt;  There are many things you can directly observe, and which are “manifestly true” to you: what you’re wearing at the moment, which room of your house you’re in, whether the sun has set yet, whether you are running out of breath, whether your parents are alive, whether you feel a piercing pain in your back, whether you feel warmth in your palms—and so on and so forth. These are not &lt;em&gt;perfectly certain absolute truths&lt;/em&gt; about reality, and there’s always more to know about them—but it is silly to claim that we have &lt;em&gt;absolutely no claim&lt;/em&gt; on their truth either. I also think there are even such “obvious truths” in the realm of science—like the claim that the earth is not flat, that your body is made of cells, and that everyday objects follow predictable laws of motion.&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; - Kasra in the Deutschian Deadend&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt;  Deutsch writes:&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; &lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Some philosophical arguments, including the argument against solipsism, are far more compelling than any scientific argument. Indeed, every scientific argument assumes the falsity not only of solipsism, but also of other philosophical theories including any number of variants of solipsism that might contradict specific parts of the scientific argument.&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; &lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; There are two different mistakes happening here.&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; First, what Deutsch is doing is assuming a strict logical dependency between any one piece of our knowledge and every other piece of it. He says that our knowledge of science (say, of astrophysics) implicitly relies on other philosophical arguments about solipsism, epistemology, and metaphysics. But anyone who has thought about the difference between philosophy and science recognizes that in practice they can be studied and argued about &lt;em&gt;independently&lt;/em&gt;. We can make progress on our understanding of celestial mechanics without making any crucial assumption about metaphysics. We can make progress studying neurons without solving the hard problem of consciousness or the question of free will.&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; &lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; - Kasra in the Deutschian Deadend, quoting Deutsch on Solipsism &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt;  At that time I learnt from Popper that it was not scientifically disgraceful to have one's hypothesis falsified. That was the best news I had had for a long time. I was persuaded by Popper, in fact, to formulate my electrical hypotheses of excitatory and inhibitory synaptic transmission so precisely and rigorously that they invited falsification - and, in fact, that is what happened to them a few years later, very largely by my colleagues and myself, when in 1951 we started to do intra- cellular recording from motoneurones. Thanks to my tutelage by Popper, I was able to accept joyfully this death of the brain-child which I had nurtured for nearly two decades and was immediately able to contribute as much as I could to the chemical transmission story which was the Dale and Loewi brain-child.&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; &lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; - John C. Eccles on Popper, All Life is Problem Solving, p.12&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; In order to state the problem more clearly, I should like to reformulate it as follows.&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; We may distinguish here between three types of theory.&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; &lt;strong&gt;First&lt;/strong&gt;, logical and mathematical theories.&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; &lt;strong&gt;Second,&lt;/strong&gt; empirical and scientific theories.&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; &lt;strong&gt;Third,&lt;/strong&gt; philosophical or metaphysical theories.&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt;  -Popper on the "hierarchy of reliability", C&amp;amp;R p.266&lt;/p&gt;

Socials

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Become a patreon subscriber &lt;a href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations &lt;a href="https://ko-fi.com/increments" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Click dem like buttons on &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;youtube&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Are you a solipsist? If so, send yourself an email over to &lt;a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;incrementspodcast@gmail.com&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Special Guest: Kasra.&lt;/p&gt;
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    <![CDATA[<p>As whores for criticism, we wanted to have Kasra on to discuss his essay <a href="https://www.bitsofwonder.co/p/the-deutschian-deadend" rel="nofollow">The Deutschian Deadend</a>. Kasra claims that Popper and Deutsch are fundamentally wrong in some important ways, and that many of their ideas will forever remain in the &quot;footnotes of the history of philosophy&quot;. Does he change our mind or do we change his? </p>

<p>Follow Kasra on <a href="https://x.com/kasratweets" rel="nofollow">twitter</a> and subscribe to his blog, <a href="https://www.bitsofwonder.co/p/the-deutschian-deadend" rel="nofollow">Bits of Wonder</a>. </p>

<h1>We discuss</h1>

<ul>
<li>Has Popper had of a cultural impact? </li>
<li>The differences between Popper, Deutsch, and Deutsch&#39;s bulldogs. </li>
<li>Is observation really theory laden?</li>
<li>The hierarchy of reliability: do different disciplines have different methods of criticism? </li>
<li>The ladder of abstractions </li>
<li>The difference between Popper and Deutsch on truth and abstraction </li>
<li>The Deutschian community&#39;s reaction to the essay </li>
</ul>

<h1>References</h1>

<ul>
<li>Bruce Nielson&#39;s podcast on verification and falsification: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/38tGZnBlHK3vZHjyLgSs4C" rel="nofollow">https://open.spotify.com/episode/38tGZnBlHK3vZHjyLgSs4C</a></li>
<li>Popper on certainty: Chapter 22. Analytical Remarks on Certainty in Objective Knowledge</li>
</ul>

<h1>Quotes</h1>

<blockquote>
<p>By the nature of Deutsch and Popper’s ideas being abstract, this essay will also necessarily be abstract. To combat this, let me ground the whole essay in a concrete empirical bet: Popper’s ideas about epistemology, and David Deutsch’s extensions of them, will forever remain in the footnotes of the history of philosophy. Popper’s falsificationism, which was the main idea that he’s widely known for today, will continue to remain the only thing that he’s widely known for. The frustrating fact that Wittgenstein is widely regarded as a more influential philosopher than Popper will continue to remain true. Critical rationalism will never be widely recognized as the “one correct epistemology,” as the actual explanation (or even the precursor to an explanation) of knowledge, progress, and creativity. Instead it will be viewed, like many philosophical schools before it, as a useful and ambitious project that ultimately failed. In other words, critical rationalism is a kind of philosophical deadend: the Deutschian deadend.<br>
- Kasra in the Deutschian Deadend</p>

<p>There are many things you can directly observe, and which are “manifestly true” to you: what you’re wearing at the moment, which room of your house you’re in, whether the sun has set yet, whether you are running out of breath, whether your parents are alive, whether you feel a piercing pain in your back, whether you feel warmth in your palms—and so on and so forth. These are not <em>perfectly certain absolute truths</em> about reality, and there’s always more to know about them—but it is silly to claim that we have <em>absolutely no claim</em> on their truth either. I also think there are even such “obvious truths” in the realm of science—like the claim that the earth is not flat, that your body is made of cells, and that everyday objects follow predictable laws of motion.</p>

<p>- Kasra in the Deutschian Deadend</p>

<p>Deutsch writes:</p>

<blockquote>
<p>Some philosophical arguments, including the argument against solipsism, are far more compelling than any scientific argument. Indeed, every scientific argument assumes the falsity not only of solipsism, but also of other philosophical theories including any number of variants of solipsism that might contradict specific parts of the scientific argument.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>There are two different mistakes happening here.<br>
First, what Deutsch is doing is assuming a strict logical dependency between any one piece of our knowledge and every other piece of it. He says that our knowledge of science (say, of astrophysics) implicitly relies on other philosophical arguments about solipsism, epistemology, and metaphysics. But anyone who has thought about the difference between philosophy and science recognizes that in practice they can be studied and argued about <em>independently</em>. We can make progress on our understanding of celestial mechanics without making any crucial assumption about metaphysics. We can make progress studying neurons without solving the hard problem of consciousness or the question of free will.</p>

<p>- Kasra in the Deutschian Deadend, quoting Deutsch on Solipsism </p>

<p>At that time I learnt from Popper that it was not scientifically disgraceful to have one&#39;s hypothesis falsified. That was the best news I had had for a long time. I was persuaded by Popper, in fact, to formulate my electrical hypotheses of excitatory and inhibitory synaptic transmission so precisely and rigorously that they invited falsification - and, in fact, that is what happened to them a few years later, very largely by my colleagues and myself, when in 1951 we started to do intra- cellular recording from motoneurones. Thanks to my tutelage by Popper, I was able to accept joyfully this death of the brain-child which I had nurtured for nearly two decades and was immediately able to contribute as much as I could to the chemical transmission story which was the Dale and Loewi brain-child.</p>

<p>- John C. Eccles on Popper, All Life is Problem Solving, p.12</p>

<p>In order to state the problem more clearly, I should like to reformulate it as follows.<br>
We may distinguish here between three types of theory.<br>
<strong>First</strong>, logical and mathematical theories.<br>
<strong>Second,</strong> empirical and scientific theories.<br>
<strong>Third,</strong> philosophical or metaphysical theories.</p>

<p>-Popper on the &quot;hierarchy of reliability&quot;, C&amp;R p.266</p>
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    <![CDATA[<p>As whores for criticism, we wanted to have Kasra on to discuss his essay <a href="https://www.bitsofwonder.co/p/the-deutschian-deadend" rel="nofollow">The Deutschian Deadend</a>. Kasra claims that Popper and Deutsch are fundamentally wrong in some important ways, and that many of their ideas will forever remain in the &quot;footnotes of the history of philosophy&quot;. Does he change our mind or do we change his? </p>

<p>Follow Kasra on <a href="https://x.com/kasratweets" rel="nofollow">twitter</a> and subscribe to his blog, <a href="https://www.bitsofwonder.co/p/the-deutschian-deadend" rel="nofollow">Bits of Wonder</a>. </p>

<h1>We discuss</h1>

<ul>
<li>Has Popper had of a cultural impact? </li>
<li>The differences between Popper, Deutsch, and Deutsch&#39;s bulldogs. </li>
<li>Is observation really theory laden?</li>
<li>The hierarchy of reliability: do different disciplines have different methods of criticism? </li>
<li>The ladder of abstractions </li>
<li>The difference between Popper and Deutsch on truth and abstraction </li>
<li>The Deutschian community&#39;s reaction to the essay </li>
</ul>

<h1>References</h1>

<ul>
<li>Bruce Nielson&#39;s podcast on verification and falsification: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/38tGZnBlHK3vZHjyLgSs4C" rel="nofollow">https://open.spotify.com/episode/38tGZnBlHK3vZHjyLgSs4C</a></li>
<li>Popper on certainty: Chapter 22. Analytical Remarks on Certainty in Objective Knowledge</li>
</ul>

<h1>Quotes</h1>

<blockquote>
<p>By the nature of Deutsch and Popper’s ideas being abstract, this essay will also necessarily be abstract. To combat this, let me ground the whole essay in a concrete empirical bet: Popper’s ideas about epistemology, and David Deutsch’s extensions of them, will forever remain in the footnotes of the history of philosophy. Popper’s falsificationism, which was the main idea that he’s widely known for today, will continue to remain the only thing that he’s widely known for. The frustrating fact that Wittgenstein is widely regarded as a more influential philosopher than Popper will continue to remain true. Critical rationalism will never be widely recognized as the “one correct epistemology,” as the actual explanation (or even the precursor to an explanation) of knowledge, progress, and creativity. Instead it will be viewed, like many philosophical schools before it, as a useful and ambitious project that ultimately failed. In other words, critical rationalism is a kind of philosophical deadend: the Deutschian deadend.<br>
- Kasra in the Deutschian Deadend</p>

<p>There are many things you can directly observe, and which are “manifestly true” to you: what you’re wearing at the moment, which room of your house you’re in, whether the sun has set yet, whether you are running out of breath, whether your parents are alive, whether you feel a piercing pain in your back, whether you feel warmth in your palms—and so on and so forth. These are not <em>perfectly certain absolute truths</em> about reality, and there’s always more to know about them—but it is silly to claim that we have <em>absolutely no claim</em> on their truth either. I also think there are even such “obvious truths” in the realm of science—like the claim that the earth is not flat, that your body is made of cells, and that everyday objects follow predictable laws of motion.</p>

<p>- Kasra in the Deutschian Deadend</p>

<p>Deutsch writes:</p>

<blockquote>
<p>Some philosophical arguments, including the argument against solipsism, are far more compelling than any scientific argument. Indeed, every scientific argument assumes the falsity not only of solipsism, but also of other philosophical theories including any number of variants of solipsism that might contradict specific parts of the scientific argument.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>There are two different mistakes happening here.<br>
First, what Deutsch is doing is assuming a strict logical dependency between any one piece of our knowledge and every other piece of it. He says that our knowledge of science (say, of astrophysics) implicitly relies on other philosophical arguments about solipsism, epistemology, and metaphysics. But anyone who has thought about the difference between philosophy and science recognizes that in practice they can be studied and argued about <em>independently</em>. We can make progress on our understanding of celestial mechanics without making any crucial assumption about metaphysics. We can make progress studying neurons without solving the hard problem of consciousness or the question of free will.</p>

<p>- Kasra in the Deutschian Deadend, quoting Deutsch on Solipsism </p>

<p>At that time I learnt from Popper that it was not scientifically disgraceful to have one&#39;s hypothesis falsified. That was the best news I had had for a long time. I was persuaded by Popper, in fact, to formulate my electrical hypotheses of excitatory and inhibitory synaptic transmission so precisely and rigorously that they invited falsification - and, in fact, that is what happened to them a few years later, very largely by my colleagues and myself, when in 1951 we started to do intra- cellular recording from motoneurones. Thanks to my tutelage by Popper, I was able to accept joyfully this death of the brain-child which I had nurtured for nearly two decades and was immediately able to contribute as much as I could to the chemical transmission story which was the Dale and Loewi brain-child.</p>

<p>- John C. Eccles on Popper, All Life is Problem Solving, p.12</p>

<p>In order to state the problem more clearly, I should like to reformulate it as follows.<br>
We may distinguish here between three types of theory.<br>
<strong>First</strong>, logical and mathematical theories.<br>
<strong>Second,</strong> empirical and scientific theories.<br>
<strong>Third,</strong> philosophical or metaphysical theories.</p>

<p>-Popper on the &quot;hierarchy of reliability&quot;, C&amp;R p.266</p>
</blockquote>

<h1>Socials</h1>

<ul>
<li>Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani</li>
<li>Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link</li>
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<li>Click dem like buttons on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow">youtube</a></li>
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  <title>#44 - Longtermism Revisited: What We Owe the Future</title>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2022 10:45:00 -0700</pubDate>
  <author>Ben Chugg and Vaden Masrani</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>Could have seen this one coming. We discuss Will MacAskill's new book "What We Owe the Future." </itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;Like moths to a flame, we come back to longtermism once again. But it's not our fault. Will MacAskill published a new book, &lt;em&gt;What We Owe the Future&lt;/em&gt;, and billions (trillions!) of lives are at stake if we don't review it. Sisyphus had his task and we have ours. We're doing it for the (great great great ... great) grandchildren. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We discuss:&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Whether longtermism is actionable &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Whether the book is a faithful representation of longtermism as practiced &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Why humans are actually cool, despite what you might hear &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Some cool ideas from the book including career advice and allowing vaccines on the free market &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Ben's love of charter cities and whether he's is a totalitarian at heart &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The plausability of "value lock-in"&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The bizarro world of population ethics &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;References&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;br&gt;
"Bait-and-switch" critique from a longtermist blogger: &lt;a href="https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/9Y6Y6qoAigRC7A8eX/my-take-on-what-we-owe-the-future" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/9Y6Y6qoAigRC7A8eX/my-take-on-what-we-owe-the-future&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Quote: "For instance, I’m worried people will feel bait-and-switched if they get into EA via WWOTF then do an 80,000 Hours call or hang out around their EA university group and realize most people think AI risk is the biggest longtermist priority, many thinking this by a large margin."&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Contact us&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Check us out on youtube at &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How long is your termist? Tell us at &lt;a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;incrementspodcast@gmail.com&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;
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  <itunes:keywords>longtermism, effective altruism, philosophy, ethics</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Like moths to a flame, we come back to longtermism once again. But it&#39;s not our fault. Will MacAskill published a new book, <em>What We Owe the Future</em>, and billions (trillions!) of lives are at stake if we don&#39;t review it. Sisyphus had his task and we have ours. We&#39;re doing it for the (great great great ... great) grandchildren. </p>

<p><strong>We discuss:</strong> </p>

<ul>
<li>Whether longtermism is actionable </li>
<li>Whether the book is a faithful representation of longtermism as practiced </li>
<li>Why humans are actually cool, despite what you might hear </li>
<li>Some cool ideas from the book including career advice and allowing vaccines on the free market </li>
<li>Ben&#39;s love of charter cities and whether he&#39;s is a totalitarian at heart </li>
<li>The plausability of &quot;value lock-in&quot;</li>
<li>The bizarro world of population ethics </li>
</ul>

<p><strong>References</strong>:<br>
&quot;Bait-and-switch&quot; critique from a longtermist blogger: <a href="https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/9Y6Y6qoAigRC7A8eX/my-take-on-what-we-owe-the-future" rel="nofollow">https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/9Y6Y6qoAigRC7A8eX/my-take-on-what-we-owe-the-future</a></p>

<p>Quote: &quot;For instance, I’m worried people will feel bait-and-switched if they get into EA via WWOTF then do an 80,000 Hours call or hang out around their EA university group and realize most people think AI risk is the biggest longtermist priority, many thinking this by a large margin.&quot;</p>

<p><strong>Contact us</strong> </p>

<ul>
<li>Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani</li>
<li>Check us out on youtube at <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ</a></li>
<li>Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link</li>
</ul>

<p>How long is your termist? Tell us at <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a> </p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Like moths to a flame, we come back to longtermism once again. But it&#39;s not our fault. Will MacAskill published a new book, <em>What We Owe the Future</em>, and billions (trillions!) of lives are at stake if we don&#39;t review it. Sisyphus had his task and we have ours. We&#39;re doing it for the (great great great ... great) grandchildren. </p>

<p><strong>We discuss:</strong> </p>

<ul>
<li>Whether longtermism is actionable </li>
<li>Whether the book is a faithful representation of longtermism as practiced </li>
<li>Why humans are actually cool, despite what you might hear </li>
<li>Some cool ideas from the book including career advice and allowing vaccines on the free market </li>
<li>Ben&#39;s love of charter cities and whether he&#39;s is a totalitarian at heart </li>
<li>The plausability of &quot;value lock-in&quot;</li>
<li>The bizarro world of population ethics </li>
</ul>

<p><strong>References</strong>:<br>
&quot;Bait-and-switch&quot; critique from a longtermist blogger: <a href="https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/9Y6Y6qoAigRC7A8eX/my-take-on-what-we-owe-the-future" rel="nofollow">https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/9Y6Y6qoAigRC7A8eX/my-take-on-what-we-owe-the-future</a></p>

<p>Quote: &quot;For instance, I’m worried people will feel bait-and-switched if they get into EA via WWOTF then do an 80,000 Hours call or hang out around their EA university group and realize most people think AI risk is the biggest longtermist priority, many thinking this by a large margin.&quot;</p>

<p><strong>Contact us</strong> </p>

<ul>
<li>Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani</li>
<li>Check us out on youtube at <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ</a></li>
<li>Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link</li>
</ul>

<p>How long is your termist? Tell us at <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a> </p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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