app01 Tue, 13 Oct 2026 23:35:34 +0000 Fireside (https://fireside.fm) Increments - Episodes Tagged with “Llms” https://www.incrementspodcast.com/tags/llms Tue, 06 Oct 2026 07:00:00 -0700 Vaden Masrani, a senior research scientist in machine learning, and Ben Chugg, a PhD student in statistics, get into trouble arguing about everything except machine learning and statistics. Coherence is somewhere on the horizon. Bribes, suggestions, love-mail and hate-mail all welcome at incrementspodcast@gmail.com. en-us episodic Science, Philosophy, Epistemology, Mayhem Ben Chugg and Vaden Masrani Vaden Masrani, a senior research scientist in machine learning, and Ben Chugg, a PhD student in statistics, get into trouble arguing about everything except machine learning and statistics. Coherence is somewhere on the horizon. Bribes, suggestions, love-mail and hate-mail all welcome at incrementspodcast@gmail.com. no Philosophy,Science,Ethics,Progress,Knowledge,Computer Science,Conversation,Error-Correction Ben Chugg and Vaden Masrani incrementspodcast@gmail.com #108 - The OpenAI/HuggingFace "incident": Responding to Sam Harris and Ryan Greenblatt https://www.incrementspodcast.com/108 c68b121d-e24b-4c1e-b9d7-5692fd70950f Tue, 06 Oct 2026 07:00:00 -0700 Ben Chugg and Vaden Masrani full Ben Chugg and Vaden Masrani The boys argue about the OpenAI/Hugging Face incident. Did the agents escape, or was the door left wide open? 1:17:27 no <p>Vaden has been annoyed about the Hugging Face incident for weeks, and the only known cure is yelling<br> about it on the podcast. Ben, who as usual is more even-headed and objective about the incident (incidentally, he also writes the episode descriptions) plays devil's advocate. Was there ever really a sandbox? Did the agents cheat, or did they just do what they were told? Is terrifying the public good for an IPO? Multiple analogies enter the fray, zero minds are changed, and Saturday Night Live gets the last word.</p> We discuss <ul> <li>What actually happened in the Hugging Face incident (and what is ExploitGym?)</li> <li>What Project Glasswing and Mythos already told us about AI and cybersecurity</li> <li>Is a sandbox with Artifactory access still a sandbox?</li> <li>Did the agents cheat, or just follow their prompt?</li> <li>Negligence, PR stunt, or both? Going through OpenAI's timeline</li> <li>How independent is an "independent" investigation?</li> <li>Does anthropomorphic language help you predict what AI will do?</li> <li>Grenades, knives, and yogurt: parenting styles for package managers</li> </ul> References <ul> <li>The Hugging Face incident and the road ahead (OpenAI blog post): <a href="https://openai.com/index/hugging-face-incident-and-the-road-ahead/" rel="nofollow noopener">https://openai.com/index/hugging-face-incident-and-the-road-ahead/</a></li> <li>OpenAI's technical report on the incident (PDF): <a href="https://cdn.openai.com/pdf/67869394-cb91-4c12-888c-5cbd85c7814c/OpenAI-Hugging-Face%20Incident-Technical-Report.pdf" rel="nofollow noopener">https://cdn.openai.com/pdf/67869394-cb91-4c12-888c-5cbd85c7814c/OpenAI-Hugging-Face%20Incident-Technical-Report.pdf</a></li> <li>Making Sense #494, "A Coin Toss for the Future" (Sam Harris with Ryan Greenblatt): <a href="https://www.samharris.org/podcasts/making-sense-episodes/494-a-coin-toss-for-the-future" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.samharris.org/podcasts/making-sense-episodes/494-a-coin-toss-for-the-future</a></li> <li>Redwood Research on the incident: <a href="https://blog.redwoodresearch.org/p/the-openaihuggingface-incident-redwood" rel="nofollow noopener">https://blog.redwoodresearch.org/p/the-openaihuggingface-incident-redwood</a> </li> <li>Dwarkesh Podcast with Ajeya Cotra, "Inside the OpenAI agent swarm that hacked Hugging Face": <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X50zezLFWWI&amp;pp=ygUVZHdhcmtlc2ggaHVnZ2luZyBmYWNl" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X50zezLFWWI&amp;pp=ygUVZHdhcmtlc2ggaHVnZ2luZyBmYWNl</a></li> <li>Melanie Mitchell, "Misleading Metaphors and Real Risks": <a href="https://aiguide.substack.com/p/misleading-metaphors-and-real-risks" rel="nofollow noopener">https://aiguide.substack.com/p/misleading-metaphors-and-real-risks</a></li> <li>Anthropic's Project Glasswing: <a href="https://www.anthropic.com/glasswing" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.anthropic.com/glasswing</a></li> <li>JFrog Artifactory: <a href="https://jfrog.com/artifactory/" rel="nofollow noopener">https://jfrog.com/artifactory/</a><br></li> <li>Our episode with Melanie Mitchell: <a href="https://www.incrementspodcast.com/45" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.incrementspodcast.com/45</a></li> </ul> Socials <ul> <li>Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani</li> <li>Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link</li> <li>Become a patreon subscriber <a href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments" rel="nofollow noopener">here</a>. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations <a href="https://ko-fi.com/increments" rel="nofollow noopener">here</a>.</li> <li>Click dem like buttons on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow noopener">youtube</a></li> </ul> <p>We urge you to urge us to stop. Send your urges over to <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow noopener">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a></p> openAI, Huggingface, LLMs, AI, security, AI safety Vaden has been annoyed about the Hugging Face incident for weeks, and the only known cure is yelling
about it on the podcast. Ben, who as usual is more even-headed and objective about the incident (incidentally, he also writes the episode descriptions) plays devil's advocate. Was there ever really a sandbox? Did the agents cheat, or did they just do what they were told? Is terrifying the public good for an IPO? Multiple analogies enter the fray, zero minds are changed, and Saturday Night Live gets the last word.

We discuss
  • What actually happened in the Hugging Face incident (and what is ExploitGym?)
  • What Project Glasswing and Mythos already told us about AI and cybersecurity
  • Is a sandbox with Artifactory access still a sandbox?
  • Did the agents cheat, or just follow their prompt?
  • Negligence, PR stunt, or both? Going through OpenAI's timeline
  • How independent is an "independent" investigation?
  • Does anthropomorphic language help you predict what AI will do?
  • Grenades, knives, and yogurt: parenting styles for package managers
References Socials
  • Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani
  • Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link
  • Become a patreon subscriber here. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations here.
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]]> Vaden has been annoyed about the Hugging Face incident for weeks, and the only known cure is yelling
about it on the podcast. Ben, who as usual is more even-headed and objective about the incident (incidentally, he also writes the episode descriptions) plays devil's advocate. Was there ever really a sandbox? Did the agents cheat, or did they just do what they were told? Is terrifying the public good for an IPO? Multiple analogies enter the fray, zero minds are changed, and Saturday Night Live gets the last word.

We discuss
  • What actually happened in the Hugging Face incident (and what is ExploitGym?)
  • What Project Glasswing and Mythos already told us about AI and cybersecurity
  • Is a sandbox with Artifactory access still a sandbox?
  • Did the agents cheat, or just follow their prompt?
  • Negligence, PR stunt, or both? Going through OpenAI's timeline
  • How independent is an "independent" investigation?
  • Does anthropomorphic language help you predict what AI will do?
  • Grenades, knives, and yogurt: parenting styles for package managers
References Socials
  • Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani
  • Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link
  • Become a patreon subscriber here. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations here.
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]]> #103 - AI, Evolution, and The God Test (w/ Robert Wright) https://www.incrementspodcast.com/103 ce72a94a-7c48-41f5-ba31-4f7a4e5ae196 Fri, 29 May 2026 12:00:00 -0700 Ben Chugg and Vaden Masrani full Ben Chugg and Vaden Masrani Robert Wright joins us to talk about his upcoming book on artificial intelligence. 1:47:27 no <p>Did you ever see the video of two regular people trying to fight Eddie Hall, the strongest man on earth? Ben and Vaden bring that same energy to this conversation, where they gang up on Robert Wright on the subject of his forthcoming book <a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/God-Test-Artificial-Intelligence-Reckoning/dp/1668061651" rel="nofollow noopener">The God Test: Artificial Intelligence and Our Coming Cosmic Reckoning</a>. Bob is a sport about it (well, there was no choice really: we have an advanced copy of his book that we're holding hostage) and there are only one or two black eyes by the end. </p> <p>Subscribe to Robert Wright's podcasting empire NonZero on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/c/Nonzero" rel="nofollow noopener">youtube</a> and <a href="https://www.nonzero.org/podcast" rel="nofollow noopener">substack</a>. And go buy one of his many books. </p> We discuss <ul> <li>Whether Bob was the OG podcaster </li> <li>Is there a directionality to evolution? </li> <li>Where Bob is on the AI fear and awe spectrum </li> <li>Whether LLMs have decoded the meaning in language </li> <li>Is AI best viewed as a tool or as superintelligence? </li> <li>AI-as-slingshot analogy </li> </ul> References <ul> <li><a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/God-Test-Artificial-Intelligence-Reckoning/dp/1668061651" rel="nofollow noopener">The God Test by Robert Wright</a></li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonzero:_The_Logic_of_Human_Destiny" rel="nofollow noopener">Nonzero by Robert Wright</a></li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmaker_analogy" rel="nofollow noopener">William Paley and his pocket watch</a></li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blind_Watchmaker" rel="nofollow noopener">The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.incrementspodcast.com/94" rel="nofollow noopener">Our conversation with Scott Aaronson</a></li> </ul> Socials <ul> <li>Follow us on Twitter at @RobertWrighter, @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani</li> <li>Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link</li> <li>Become a patreon subscriber&nbsp;<a href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments" rel="nofollow noopener">here</a>. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations&nbsp;<a href="https://ko-fi.com/increments" rel="nofollow noopener">here</a>.</li> <li>Click dem like buttons on&nbsp;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow noopener">youtube</a></li> </ul> <p>What's the directionality of this podcast? Tell us at <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow noopener">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Robert Wright.</p> artificial intelligence, LLMs, AI-doom, machine learning, evolution Did you ever see the video of two regular people trying to fight Eddie Hall, the strongest man on earth? Ben and Vaden bring that same energy to this conversation, where they gang up on Robert Wright on the subject of his forthcoming book The God Test: Artificial Intelligence and Our Coming Cosmic Reckoning. Bob is a sport about it (well, there was no choice really: we have an advanced copy of his book that we're holding hostage) and there are only one or two black eyes by the end.

Subscribe to Robert Wright's podcasting empire NonZero on youtube and substack. And go buy one of his many books.

We discuss
  • Whether Bob was the OG podcaster
  • Is there a directionality to evolution?
  • Where Bob is on the AI fear and awe spectrum
  • Whether LLMs have decoded the meaning in language
  • Is AI best viewed as a tool or as superintelligence?
  • AI-as-slingshot analogy
References Socials
  • Follow us on Twitter at @RobertWrighter, @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani
  • Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link
  • Become a patreon subscriber here. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations here.
  • Click dem like buttons on youtube

What's the directionality of this podcast? Tell us at incrementspodcast@gmail.com.

Special Guest: Robert Wright.

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]]> Did you ever see the video of two regular people trying to fight Eddie Hall, the strongest man on earth? Ben and Vaden bring that same energy to this conversation, where they gang up on Robert Wright on the subject of his forthcoming book The God Test: Artificial Intelligence and Our Coming Cosmic Reckoning. Bob is a sport about it (well, there was no choice really: we have an advanced copy of his book that we're holding hostage) and there are only one or two black eyes by the end.

Subscribe to Robert Wright's podcasting empire NonZero on youtube and substack. And go buy one of his many books.

We discuss
  • Whether Bob was the OG podcaster
  • Is there a directionality to evolution?
  • Where Bob is on the AI fear and awe spectrum
  • Whether LLMs have decoded the meaning in language
  • Is AI best viewed as a tool or as superintelligence?
  • AI-as-slingshot analogy
References Socials
  • Follow us on Twitter at @RobertWrighter, @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani
  • Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link
  • Become a patreon subscriber here. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations here.
  • Click dem like buttons on youtube

What's the directionality of this podcast? Tell us at incrementspodcast@gmail.com.

Special Guest: Robert Wright.

Support Increments

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