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    <description>Vaden Masrani, a senior research scientist in machine learning, and Ben Chugg, a PhD student in statistics, get into trouble arguing about everything except machine learning and statistics. Coherence is somewhere on the horizon. 
Bribes, suggestions, love-mail and hate-mail all welcome at incrementspodcast@gmail.com. 
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    <itunes:summary>Vaden Masrani, a senior research scientist in machine learning, and Ben Chugg, a PhD student in statistics, get into trouble arguing about everything except machine learning and statistics. Coherence is somewhere on the horizon. 
Bribes, suggestions, love-mail and hate-mail all welcome at incrementspodcast@gmail.com. 
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  <title>#87 - Gullibility, Belief, and Conformity (with Hugo Mercier)</title>
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  <description>Ben and Vaden test their French skills and have Hugo Mercier on the podcast to discuss who we trust and what we believe. Are humans gullible? Do we fall for propaganda and advertising campaigns? Do we follow expert consensus or forge ahead as independent thinkers? Can Vaden go for one episode without bringing up Trump? 
Hugo Mercier (https://sites.google.com/site/hugomercier/) is a research director at the CNRS (Institut Jean Nicod, Paris), where he work with the Evolution and Social Cognition team. Check out his two books: The Enigma of Reason (https://www.amazon.com/Enigma-Reason-Hugo-Mercier/dp/0674368304) and Not Born Yesterday (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0691208921) . 
We discuss
Mercier's thoughts on the cognitive bias literature
Open vigilance mechanisms
Criticism of the System 1 vs System 2 dichotomy
Why Kahneman misinterpreted the bat and the ball thought experiment
Do flat earthers really believe the earth is flat?
The Asch conformity experiment 
Preference falsification vs internalization of professed beliefs 
How important is social signaling? 
Trump, MAGA, gullibility, and Tariffs 
How effective are advertisements? 
How effective is propaganda? 
Is social science reforming? 
References
The Enigma of Reason (https://www.amazon.com/Enigma-Reason-Hugo-Mercier/dp/0674368304) by Hugo Mercier and Dan Sperber 
Not Born Yesterday (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0691208921)  
Our previous episodes on Not Born Yesterday (https://www.incrementspodcast.com/84) and The Enigma of Reason (https://www.incrementspodcast.com/39) 
Socials
Follow us on Twitter at @hugoreasoning, @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani
Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link
Become a patreon subscriber&amp;nbsp;here (https://www.patreon.com/Increments). Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations&amp;nbsp;here (https://ko-fi.com/increments).
Click dem like buttons on&amp;nbsp;youtube (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ)
How much system 2 thinking does it take to misunderstand system 1 vs system 2? Tell us at incrementspodcast@gmail.com  Special Guest: Hugo Mercier.
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    <![CDATA[<p>Ben and Vaden test their French skills and have Hugo Mercier on the podcast to discuss who we trust and what we believe. Are humans gullible? Do we fall for propaganda and advertising campaigns? Do we follow expert consensus or forge ahead as independent thinkers? Can Vaden go for one episode without bringing up Trump? </p>

<p><a href="https://sites.google.com/site/hugomercier/" rel="nofollow">Hugo Mercier</a> is a research director at the CNRS (Institut Jean Nicod, Paris), where he work with the Evolution and Social Cognition team. Check out his two books: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Enigma-Reason-Hugo-Mercier/dp/0674368304" rel="nofollow">The Enigma of Reason</a> and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0691208921" rel="nofollow">Not Born Yesterday</a> . </p>

<h1>We discuss</h1>

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<li>Mercier&#39;s thoughts on the cognitive bias literature</li>
<li>Open vigilance mechanisms</li>
<li>Criticism of the System 1 vs System 2 dichotomy</li>
<li>Why Kahneman misinterpreted the bat and the ball thought experiment</li>
<li>Do flat earthers really believe the earth is flat?</li>
<li>The Asch conformity experiment </li>
<li>Preference falsification vs internalization of professed beliefs </li>
<li>How important is social signaling? </li>
<li>Trump, MAGA, gullibility, and Tariffs </li>
<li>How effective are advertisements? </li>
<li>How effective is propaganda? </li>
<li>Is social science reforming? </li>
</ul>

<h1>References</h1>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Enigma-Reason-Hugo-Mercier/dp/0674368304" rel="nofollow">The Enigma of Reason</a> by Hugo Mercier and Dan Sperber </li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0691208921" rel="nofollow">Not Born Yesterday</a><br></li>
<li>Our previous episodes on <a href="https://www.incrementspodcast.com/84" rel="nofollow">Not Born Yesterday</a> and <a href="https://www.incrementspodcast.com/39" rel="nofollow">The Enigma of Reason</a> </li>
</ul>

<h1>Socials</h1>

<ul>
<li>Follow us on Twitter at @hugoreasoning, @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani</li>
<li>Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link</li>
<li>Become a patreon subscriber <a href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations <a href="https://ko-fi.com/increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</li>
<li>Click dem like buttons on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow">youtube</a></li>
</ul>

<p>How much system 2 thinking does it take to misunderstand system 1 vs system 2? Tell us at <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a> </p><p>Special Guest: Hugo Mercier.</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Ben and Vaden test their French skills and have Hugo Mercier on the podcast to discuss who we trust and what we believe. Are humans gullible? Do we fall for propaganda and advertising campaigns? Do we follow expert consensus or forge ahead as independent thinkers? Can Vaden go for one episode without bringing up Trump? </p>

<p><a href="https://sites.google.com/site/hugomercier/" rel="nofollow">Hugo Mercier</a> is a research director at the CNRS (Institut Jean Nicod, Paris), where he work with the Evolution and Social Cognition team. Check out his two books: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Enigma-Reason-Hugo-Mercier/dp/0674368304" rel="nofollow">The Enigma of Reason</a> and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0691208921" rel="nofollow">Not Born Yesterday</a> . </p>

<h1>We discuss</h1>

<ul>
<li>Mercier&#39;s thoughts on the cognitive bias literature</li>
<li>Open vigilance mechanisms</li>
<li>Criticism of the System 1 vs System 2 dichotomy</li>
<li>Why Kahneman misinterpreted the bat and the ball thought experiment</li>
<li>Do flat earthers really believe the earth is flat?</li>
<li>The Asch conformity experiment </li>
<li>Preference falsification vs internalization of professed beliefs </li>
<li>How important is social signaling? </li>
<li>Trump, MAGA, gullibility, and Tariffs </li>
<li>How effective are advertisements? </li>
<li>How effective is propaganda? </li>
<li>Is social science reforming? </li>
</ul>

<h1>References</h1>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Enigma-Reason-Hugo-Mercier/dp/0674368304" rel="nofollow">The Enigma of Reason</a> by Hugo Mercier and Dan Sperber </li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0691208921" rel="nofollow">Not Born Yesterday</a><br></li>
<li>Our previous episodes on <a href="https://www.incrementspodcast.com/84" rel="nofollow">Not Born Yesterday</a> and <a href="https://www.incrementspodcast.com/39" rel="nofollow">The Enigma of Reason</a> </li>
</ul>

<h1>Socials</h1>

<ul>
<li>Follow us on Twitter at @hugoreasoning, @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani</li>
<li>Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link</li>
<li>Become a patreon subscriber <a href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations <a href="https://ko-fi.com/increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</li>
<li>Click dem like buttons on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow">youtube</a></li>
</ul>

<p>How much system 2 thinking does it take to misunderstand system 1 vs system 2? Tell us at <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a> </p><p>Special Guest: Hugo Mercier.</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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