app02 Tue, 06 Oct 2026 18:30:28 +0000 Fireside (https://fireside.fm) Increments - Episodes Tagged with “Huggingface” https://www.incrementspodcast.com/tags/huggingface Tue, 06 Oct 2026 07:00:00 -0700 Vaden Masrani, a senior research scientist in machine learning, and Ben Chugg, a PhD student in statistics, get into trouble arguing about everything except machine learning and statistics. Coherence is somewhere on the horizon. Bribes, suggestions, love-mail and hate-mail all welcome at incrementspodcast@gmail.com. en-us episodic Science, Philosophy, Epistemology, Mayhem Ben Chugg and Vaden Masrani Vaden Masrani, a senior research scientist in machine learning, and Ben Chugg, a PhD student in statistics, get into trouble arguing about everything except machine learning and statistics. Coherence is somewhere on the horizon. Bribes, suggestions, love-mail and hate-mail all welcome at incrementspodcast@gmail.com. no Philosophy,Science,Ethics,Progress,Knowledge,Computer Science,Conversation,Error-Correction Ben Chugg and Vaden Masrani incrementspodcast@gmail.com #108 - The OpenAI/HuggingFace "incident": Responding to Sam Harris and Ryan Greenblatt https://www.incrementspodcast.com/108 c68b121d-e24b-4c1e-b9d7-5692fd70950f Tue, 06 Oct 2026 07:00:00 -0700 Ben Chugg and Vaden Masrani full Ben Chugg and Vaden Masrani The boys argue about the OpenAI/Hugging Face incident. Did the agents escape, or was the door left wide open? 1:17:27 no <p>Vaden has been annoyed about the Hugging Face incident for weeks, and the only known cure is yelling<br> about it on the podcast. Ben, who as usual is more even-headed and objective about the incident (incidentally, he also writes the episode descriptions) plays devil's advocate. Was there ever really a sandbox? Did the agents cheat, or did they just do what they were told? Is terrifying the public good for an IPO? Multiple analogies enter the fray, zero minds are changed, and Saturday Night Live gets the last word.</p> We discuss <pre><code>- What actually happened in the Hugging Face incident (and what is ExploitGym?) </code></pre> <ul> <li>What Project Glasswing and Mythos already told us about AI and cybersecurity</li> <li>Is a sandbox with Artifactory access still a sandbox?</li> <li>Did the agents cheat, or just follow their prompt?</li> <li>Negligence, PR stunt, or both? Going through OpenAI's timeline</li> <li>How independent is an "independent" investigation?</li> <li>Does anthropomorphic language help you predict what AI will do?</li> <li>Grenades, knives, and yogurt: parenting styles for package managers</li> </ul> References <ul> <li>The Hugging Face incident and the road ahead (OpenAI blog post): <a href="https://openai.com/index/hugging-face-incident-and-the-road-ahead/" rel="nofollow noopener">https://openai.com/index/hugging-face-incident-and-the-road-ahead/</a></li> <li>OpenAI's technical report on the incident (PDF): <a href="https://cdn.openai.com/pdf/67869394-cb91-4c12-888c-5cbd85c7814c/OpenAI-Hugging-Face%20Incident-Technical-Report.pdf" rel="nofollow noopener">https://cdn.openai.com/pdf/67869394-cb91-4c12-888c-5cbd85c7814c/OpenAI-Hugging-Face%20Incident-Technical-Report.pdf</a></li> <li>Making Sense #494, "A Coin Toss for the Future" (Sam Harris with Ryan Greenblatt): <a href="https://www.samharris.org/podcasts/making-sense-episodes/494-a-coin-toss-for-the-future" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.samharris.org/podcasts/making-sense-episodes/494-a-coin-toss-for-the-future</a></li> <li>Redwood Research on the incident: <a href="https://blog.redwoodresearch.org/p/the-openaihuggingface-incident-redwood" rel="nofollow noopener">https://blog.redwoodresearch.org/p/the-openaihuggingface-incident-redwood</a> </li> <li>Dwarkesh Podcast with Ajeya Cotra, "Inside the OpenAI agent swarm that hacked Hugging Face": <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X50zezLFWWI&amp;pp=ygUVZHdhcmtlc2ggaHVnZ2luZyBmYWNl" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X50zezLFWWI&amp;pp=ygUVZHdhcmtlc2ggaHVnZ2luZyBmYWNl</a></li> <li>Melanie Mitchell, "Misleading Metaphors and Real Risks": <a href="https://aiguide.substack.com/p/misleading-metaphors-and-real-risks" rel="nofollow noopener">https://aiguide.substack.com/p/misleading-metaphors-and-real-risks</a></li> <li>Anthropic's Project Glasswing: <a href="https://www.anthropic.com/glasswing" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.anthropic.com/glasswing</a></li> <li>JFrog Artifactory: <a href="https://jfrog.com/artifactory/" rel="nofollow noopener">https://jfrog.com/artifactory/</a><br></li> <li>Our episode with Melanie Mitchell: <a href="https://www.incrementspodcast.com/45" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.incrementspodcast.com/45</a></li> </ul> Socials <ul> <li>Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani</li> <li>Come join our discord server! 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about it on the podcast. Ben, who as usual is more even-headed and objective about the incident (incidentally, he also writes the episode descriptions) plays devil's advocate. Was there ever really a sandbox? Did the agents cheat, or did they just do what they were told? Is terrifying the public good for an IPO? Multiple analogies enter the fray, zero minds are changed, and Saturday Night Live gets the last word.

We discuss 
- What actually happened in the Hugging Face incident (and what is ExploitGym?)
  • What Project Glasswing and Mythos already told us about AI and cybersecurity
  • Is a sandbox with Artifactory access still a sandbox?
  • Did the agents cheat, or just follow their prompt?
  • Negligence, PR stunt, or both? Going through OpenAI's timeline
  • How independent is an "independent" investigation?
  • Does anthropomorphic language help you predict what AI will do?
  • Grenades, knives, and yogurt: parenting styles for package managers
References Socials
  • Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani
  • Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link
  • Become a patreon subscriber here. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations here.
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]]> Vaden has been annoyed about the Hugging Face incident for weeks, and the only known cure is yelling
about it on the podcast. Ben, who as usual is more even-headed and objective about the incident (incidentally, he also writes the episode descriptions) plays devil's advocate. Was there ever really a sandbox? Did the agents cheat, or did they just do what they were told? Is terrifying the public good for an IPO? Multiple analogies enter the fray, zero minds are changed, and Saturday Night Live gets the last word.

We discuss 
- What actually happened in the Hugging Face incident (and what is ExploitGym?)
  • What Project Glasswing and Mythos already told us about AI and cybersecurity
  • Is a sandbox with Artifactory access still a sandbox?
  • Did the agents cheat, or just follow their prompt?
  • Negligence, PR stunt, or both? Going through OpenAI's timeline
  • How independent is an "independent" investigation?
  • Does anthropomorphic language help you predict what AI will do?
  • Grenades, knives, and yogurt: parenting styles for package managers
References Socials
  • Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani
  • Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link
  • Become a patreon subscriber here. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations here.
  • Click dem like buttons on youtube

We urge you to urge us to stop. Send your urges over to incrementspodcast@gmail.com

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