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    <title>Increments - Episodes Tagged with “Falsification”</title>
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    <description>Vaden Masrani, a senior research scientist in machine learning, and Ben Chugg, a PhD student in statistics, get into trouble arguing about everything except machine learning and statistics. Coherence is somewhere on the horizon. 
Bribes, suggestions, love-mail and hate-mail all welcome at incrementspodcast@gmail.com. 
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    <itunes:subtitle>Science, Philosophy, Epistemology, Mayhem</itunes:subtitle>
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    <itunes:summary>Vaden Masrani, a senior research scientist in machine learning, and Ben Chugg, a PhD student in statistics, get into trouble arguing about everything except machine learning and statistics. Coherence is somewhere on the horizon. 
Bribes, suggestions, love-mail and hate-mail all welcome at incrementspodcast@gmail.com. 
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  <title>#101 (C&amp;R Chap 10, Part IV) - Was Popper Wrong about Verisimilitude?</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>Conjectures and refutations, Chapter 10, Part 4 baby. What's the deal with corroboration and verisimilitude?</itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>Wasn't Popper a falsificationist? Then why did he try to develop ideas about corroboration and versimilitude - the extent to which a theory was closer to truth than another theory? Isn't this verging dangerously close to verificationist territory? 
In our fourth ep on Chapter 10 in C&amp;amp;R, we wrestle with Popper's treatment of verisimilutude, both the formal and informal versions. Did the project fail? Was Popper out of his mind? Does this invalidate everything?
We discuss
Murders with ball-peen hammers 
Walking the line between verification and falsification
Is science only after truth?
Verisimilutude and its formalization 
Why the formalization fails 
Popper's three requirements for the growth of knowledge
Popper's ratchet and the no ad-hoc rule 
Quotes
Like many other philosophers I am at times inclined to classify philosophers as belonging to two main groups—those with whom I disagree, and those who agree with me.
- C&amp;amp;R, page 309 
I shall give here a somewhat unsystematic list of six types of cases in which we should be inclined to say of a theory t1 that it is superseded by t2 in the sense that t2 seems—as far as we know—to correspond better to the facts than t1 , in some sense or other.
-  t2 makes more precise assertions than t1 , and these more precise assertions stand up to more precise tests.
- t2 takes account of, and explains, more facts than t1 (which will include for example the above case that, other things being equal, t2 ’s assertions are more precise).
- t2 describes, or explains, the facts in more detail than t1 .
- t2 has passed tests which t 1 has failed to pass.
- t2 has suggested new experimental tests, not considered before t 2 was designed (and not suggested by t1 , and perhaps not even applicable to t1 ); and t 2 has passed these tests.
- t2 has uniﬁed or connected various hitherto unrelated problems.
- C&amp;amp;R, page 315
Let me ﬁrst say that I do not suggest that the explicit introduction of the idea of verisimilitude will lead to any changes in the theory of method. On the contrary, I think that my theory of testability or corroboration by empirical tests is the proper methodological counterpart to this new metalogical idea. The only improvement is one of clariﬁcation.
- C&amp;amp;R, page 318
Socials
Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani
Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link
Become a patreon subscriber here (https://www.patreon.com/Increments). Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations here (https://ko-fi.com/increments).
Click dem like buttons on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ)
How many chromosomes does diethyl-methyl pentophosphate have, exactly? Tell as at incrementspodcast@gmail.com
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    <![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#39;t Popper a falsificationist? Then why did he try to develop ideas about corroboration and versimilitude - the extent to which a theory was closer to truth than another theory? Isn&#39;t this verging dangerously close to verificationist territory? </p>

<p>In our fourth ep on Chapter 10 in C&amp;R, we wrestle with Popper&#39;s treatment of verisimilutude, both the formal and informal versions. Did the project fail? Was Popper out of his mind? Does this invalidate everything?</p>

<h1>We discuss</h1>

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<li>Murders with ball-peen hammers </li>
<li>Walking the line between verification and falsification</li>
<li>Is science only after truth?</li>
<li>Verisimilutude and its formalization </li>
<li>Why the formalization fails </li>
<li>Popper&#39;s three requirements for the growth of knowledge</li>
<li>Popper&#39;s ratchet and the no ad-hoc rule </li>
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<h1>Quotes</h1>

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<p>Like many other philosophers I am at times inclined to classify philosophers as belonging to two main groups—those with whom I disagree, and those who agree with me.<br>
- C&amp;R, page 309 </p>

<p>I shall give here a somewhat unsystematic list of six types of cases in which we should be inclined to say of a theory t1 that it is superseded by t2 in the sense that t2 seems—as far as we know—to correspond better to the facts than t1 , in some sense or other.</p>

<ul>
<li> t2 makes more precise assertions than t1 , and these more precise assertions stand up to more precise tests.</li>
<li>t2 takes account of, and explains, more facts than t1 (which will include for example the above case that, other things being equal, t2 ’s assertions are more precise).</li>
<li>t2 describes, or explains, the facts in more detail than t1 .</li>
<li>t2 has passed tests which t 1 has failed to pass.</li>
<li>t2 has suggested new experimental tests, not considered before t 2 was designed (and not suggested by t1 , and perhaps not even applicable to t1 ); and t 2 has passed these tests.</li>
<li>t2 has uniﬁed or connected various hitherto unrelated problems.</li>
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<p>- C&amp;R, page 315</p>

<p>Let me ﬁrst say that I do not suggest that the explicit introduction of the idea of verisimilitude will lead to any changes in the theory of method. On the contrary, I think that my theory of testability or corroboration by empirical tests is the proper methodological counterpart to this new metalogical idea. The only improvement is one of clariﬁcation.<br>
- C&amp;R, page 318</p>
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<h1>Socials</h1>

<ul>
<li>Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani</li>
<li>Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link</li>
<li>Become a patreon subscriber <a href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations <a href="https://ko-fi.com/increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</li>
<li>Click dem like buttons on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow">youtube</a></li>
</ul>

<p>How many chromosomes does diethyl-methyl pentophosphate have, exactly? Tell as at <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a></p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#39;t Popper a falsificationist? Then why did he try to develop ideas about corroboration and versimilitude - the extent to which a theory was closer to truth than another theory? Isn&#39;t this verging dangerously close to verificationist territory? </p>

<p>In our fourth ep on Chapter 10 in C&amp;R, we wrestle with Popper&#39;s treatment of verisimilutude, both the formal and informal versions. Did the project fail? Was Popper out of his mind? Does this invalidate everything?</p>

<h1>We discuss</h1>

<ul>
<li>Murders with ball-peen hammers </li>
<li>Walking the line between verification and falsification</li>
<li>Is science only after truth?</li>
<li>Verisimilutude and its formalization </li>
<li>Why the formalization fails </li>
<li>Popper&#39;s three requirements for the growth of knowledge</li>
<li>Popper&#39;s ratchet and the no ad-hoc rule </li>
</ul>

<h1>Quotes</h1>

<blockquote>
<p>Like many other philosophers I am at times inclined to classify philosophers as belonging to two main groups—those with whom I disagree, and those who agree with me.<br>
- C&amp;R, page 309 </p>

<p>I shall give here a somewhat unsystematic list of six types of cases in which we should be inclined to say of a theory t1 that it is superseded by t2 in the sense that t2 seems—as far as we know—to correspond better to the facts than t1 , in some sense or other.</p>

<ul>
<li> t2 makes more precise assertions than t1 , and these more precise assertions stand up to more precise tests.</li>
<li>t2 takes account of, and explains, more facts than t1 (which will include for example the above case that, other things being equal, t2 ’s assertions are more precise).</li>
<li>t2 describes, or explains, the facts in more detail than t1 .</li>
<li>t2 has passed tests which t 1 has failed to pass.</li>
<li>t2 has suggested new experimental tests, not considered before t 2 was designed (and not suggested by t1 , and perhaps not even applicable to t1 ); and t 2 has passed these tests.</li>
<li>t2 has uniﬁed or connected various hitherto unrelated problems.</li>
</ul>

<p>- C&amp;R, page 315</p>

<p>Let me ﬁrst say that I do not suggest that the explicit introduction of the idea of verisimilitude will lead to any changes in the theory of method. On the contrary, I think that my theory of testability or corroboration by empirical tests is the proper methodological counterpart to this new metalogical idea. The only improvement is one of clariﬁcation.<br>
- C&amp;R, page 318</p>
</blockquote>

<h1>Socials</h1>

<ul>
<li>Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani</li>
<li>Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link</li>
<li>Become a patreon subscriber <a href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations <a href="https://ko-fi.com/increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</li>
<li>Click dem like buttons on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow">youtube</a></li>
</ul>

<p>How many chromosomes does diethyl-methyl pentophosphate have, exactly? Tell as at <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a></p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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  <title>#85 (Reaction) - On Confidence and Evidence: Reacting to Brett Hall and Peter Boghossian (Part 1) </title>
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  <pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2025 20:00:00 -0700</pubDate>
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  <description>We all knew that Vaden would release his inner Youtube debate bro at some point. Well he finally paid Ben enough to do it, and here we are: our first reaction video. Today we're commenting on the video What's the most rational way to know? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNQlmVJxySc&amp;amp;t=3614s&amp;amp;ab_channel=CordialCuriosity), a discussion between Brett Hall and Peter Boghossian on the relationship between confidence and evidence. Are we overly confident in our ability to make reaction videos? Evidently. 
Check out more from Brett Hall here (https://www.bretthall.org/) and Peter Boghossian here (https://peterboghossian.com/). 
We discuss
What is the relationship between confidence and evidence? 
The "formal apparatus of science" vs the "sociology" of science 
Eddington's famous experiment 
Why confidence and belief can't be mathematized (But why they are useful nonetheless)
Confidence as a function of falsifying experiments
Bayesianism vs critical rationalism  
References
Paper discussing how it took the wider scientific community over 40 years (after Eddington's experiment!) to become convinced in the truth of general relativity: The 1919 measurement of the deflection of light (https://arxiv.org/abs/1409.7812)
Eddington's original paper (https://w.astro.berkeley.edu/~kalas/labs/documents/dyson1920.pdf):
Vaden and Brett's blog exchange (https://vmasrani.github.io/blog/2023/predicting-human-behaviour/) 
Socials
Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani
Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link
Become a patreon subscriber here (https://www.patreon.com/Increments). Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations here (https://ko-fi.com/increments).
Click dem like buttons on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ)
Where were you last night, and why do you have condoms in your pocket? Tell us at incrementspodcast@gmail.com. 
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    <![CDATA[<p>We all knew that Vaden would release his inner Youtube debate bro at some point. Well he finally paid Ben enough to do it, and here we are: our first reaction video. Today we&#39;re commenting on the video <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNQlmVJxySc&t=3614s&ab_channel=CordialCuriosity" rel="nofollow">What&#39;s the most rational way to know?</a>, a discussion between Brett Hall and Peter Boghossian on the relationship between confidence and evidence. Are we overly confident in our ability to make reaction videos? Evidently. </p>

<p>Check out more from Brett Hall <a href="https://www.bretthall.org/" rel="nofollow">here</a> and Peter Boghossian <a href="https://peterboghossian.com/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. </p>

<h1>We discuss</h1>

<ul>
<li>What is the relationship between confidence and evidence? </li>
<li>The &quot;formal apparatus of science&quot; vs the &quot;sociology&quot; of science </li>
<li>Eddington&#39;s famous experiment </li>
<li>Why confidence and belief can&#39;t be mathematized (But why they are useful nonetheless)</li>
<li>Confidence as a function of falsifying experiments</li>
<li>Bayesianism vs critical rationalism<br></li>
</ul>

<h1>References</h1>

<ul>
<li>Paper discussing how it took the wider scientific community over 40 years (after Eddington&#39;s experiment!) to become convinced in the truth of general relativity: <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/1409.7812" rel="nofollow">The 1919 measurement of the deflection of light</a></li>
<li><a href="https://w.astro.berkeley.edu/%7Ekalas/labs/documents/dyson1920.pdf" rel="nofollow">Eddington&#39;s original paper</a>:</li>
<li><a href="https://vmasrani.github.io/blog/2023/predicting-human-behaviour/" rel="nofollow">Vaden and Brett&#39;s blog exchange</a> </li>
</ul>

<h1>Socials</h1>

<ul>
<li>Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani</li>
<li>Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link</li>
<li>Become a patreon subscriber <a href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations <a href="https://ko-fi.com/increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</li>
<li>Click dem like buttons on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow">youtube</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where were you last night, and why do you have condoms in your pocket? Tell us at <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a>. </p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>We all knew that Vaden would release his inner Youtube debate bro at some point. Well he finally paid Ben enough to do it, and here we are: our first reaction video. Today we&#39;re commenting on the video <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNQlmVJxySc&t=3614s&ab_channel=CordialCuriosity" rel="nofollow">What&#39;s the most rational way to know?</a>, a discussion between Brett Hall and Peter Boghossian on the relationship between confidence and evidence. Are we overly confident in our ability to make reaction videos? Evidently. </p>

<p>Check out more from Brett Hall <a href="https://www.bretthall.org/" rel="nofollow">here</a> and Peter Boghossian <a href="https://peterboghossian.com/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. </p>

<h1>We discuss</h1>

<ul>
<li>What is the relationship between confidence and evidence? </li>
<li>The &quot;formal apparatus of science&quot; vs the &quot;sociology&quot; of science </li>
<li>Eddington&#39;s famous experiment </li>
<li>Why confidence and belief can&#39;t be mathematized (But why they are useful nonetheless)</li>
<li>Confidence as a function of falsifying experiments</li>
<li>Bayesianism vs critical rationalism<br></li>
</ul>

<h1>References</h1>

<ul>
<li>Paper discussing how it took the wider scientific community over 40 years (after Eddington&#39;s experiment!) to become convinced in the truth of general relativity: <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/1409.7812" rel="nofollow">The 1919 measurement of the deflection of light</a></li>
<li><a href="https://w.astro.berkeley.edu/%7Ekalas/labs/documents/dyson1920.pdf" rel="nofollow">Eddington&#39;s original paper</a>:</li>
<li><a href="https://vmasrani.github.io/blog/2023/predicting-human-behaviour/" rel="nofollow">Vaden and Brett&#39;s blog exchange</a> </li>
</ul>

<h1>Socials</h1>

<ul>
<li>Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani</li>
<li>Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link</li>
<li>Become a patreon subscriber <a href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations <a href="https://ko-fi.com/increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</li>
<li>Click dem like buttons on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow">youtube</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where were you last night, and why do you have condoms in your pocket? Tell us at <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a>. </p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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