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    <title>Increments - Episodes Tagged with “Cults”</title>
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    <description>Vaden Masrani, a senior research scientist in machine learning, and Ben Chugg, a PhD student in statistics, get into trouble arguing about everything except machine learning and statistics. Coherence is somewhere on the horizon. 
Bribes, suggestions, love-mail and hate-mail all welcome at incrementspodcast@gmail.com. 
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    <itunes:summary>Vaden Masrani, a senior research scientist in machine learning, and Ben Chugg, a PhD student in statistics, get into trouble arguing about everything except machine learning and statistics. Coherence is somewhere on the horizon. 
Bribes, suggestions, love-mail and hate-mail all welcome at incrementspodcast@gmail.com. 
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  <title>#36 - Analyzing Effective Altruism as a Social Movement</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>Vaden and Ben debate Effective Altruism and provocatively ask "Is EA a cult?" and come up with a resounding... Kinda. Maybe. It's hard to say. </itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;In what is hopefully the last installment of Vaden and Ben debate Effective Altruism, we ask if EA lies on the cultishness (yes, that's a word) spectrum.  We discuss: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The potential pitfall of having goodness as a core value&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Aspects of Effective Altruism (EA) that put it on the cultishness spectrum&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Does EA focus on good over truth?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Ben's experience with EA&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Making criticism a core value &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;How does one resist the allure of groupthink? &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;How to (mis)behave at parties &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;How would one create a movement which doesn't succumb to cult-like dynamics?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Weird ideas as junk food &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Error Correction intro segment&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Scott Alexander pointing out that Ivermectin works indirectly via:&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;There’s a reason the most impressive ivermectin studies came from parts of the world where worms are prevalent, he says. Parasites suppress the immune system, making it more difficult for the human body to fight off viruses. Thus, getting rid of worm infections makes it easier for COVID-19 patients to bounce back from the virus.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;See full post below and summary news article &lt;a href="https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/everyone-was-wrong-about-ivermectin/ar-AAQRURP" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Czechoslovakia was not a part of the USSR&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt; @lukeconibear pointing out some climate models and data are publicly available. See for instance

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Goddard Earth Observing System (GEOS) Chem model: &lt;a href="https://github.com/geoschem/geos-chem" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://github.com/geoschem/geos-chem&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Community Earth System Model (CESM): &lt;a href="https://github.com/ESCOMP/CESM" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://github.com/ESCOMP/CESM&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Energy Exascale Earth System model: &lt;a href="https://github.com/E3SM-Project/E3SM" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;https://github.com/E3SM-Project/E3SM&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;@PRyan pointing out we were confused about the difference between economic growth, division of labour, and free trade &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Join the movement at &lt;a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;incrementspodcast@gmail.com&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Follow us on twitter at &lt;a href="https://twitter.com/IncrementsPod" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;@IncrementsPod&lt;/a&gt; and on &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Youtube&lt;/a&gt;.   &lt;/p&gt;
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    <![CDATA[<p>In what is hopefully the last installment of Vaden and Ben debate Effective Altruism, we ask if EA lies on the cultishness (yes, that&#39;s a word) spectrum.  We discuss: </p>

<ul>
<li>The potential pitfall of having goodness as a core value</li>
<li>Aspects of Effective Altruism (EA) that put it on the cultishness spectrum</li>
<li>Does EA focus on good over truth?</li>
<li>Ben&#39;s experience with EA</li>
<li>Making criticism a core value </li>
<li>How does one resist the allure of groupthink? </li>
<li>How to (mis)behave at parties </li>
<li>How would one create a movement which doesn&#39;t succumb to cult-like dynamics?</li>
<li>Weird ideas as junk food </li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Error Correction intro segment</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>Scott Alexander pointing out that Ivermectin works indirectly via:</li>
</ul>

<p><em>There’s a reason the most impressive ivermectin studies came from parts of the world where worms are prevalent, he says. Parasites suppress the immune system, making it more difficult for the human body to fight off viruses. Thus, getting rid of worm infections makes it easier for COVID-19 patients to bounce back from the virus.</em></p>

<p>See full post below and summary news article <a href="https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/everyone-was-wrong-about-ivermectin/ar-AAQRURP" rel="nofollow">here</a> </p>

<ul>
<li>Czechoslovakia was not a part of the USSR</li>
<li> @lukeconibear pointing out some climate models and data are publicly available. See for instance

<ul>
<li>Goddard Earth Observing System (GEOS) Chem model: <a href="https://github.com/geoschem/geos-chem" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/geoschem/geos-chem</a></li>
<li>Community Earth System Model (CESM): <a href="https://github.com/ESCOMP/CESM" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/ESCOMP/CESM</a></li>
<li>Energy Exascale Earth System model: <a href="https://github.com/E3SM-Project/E3SM" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/E3SM-Project/E3SM</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>@PRyan pointing out we were confused about the difference between economic growth, division of labour, and free trade </li>
</ul>

<p>Join the movement at <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a>. </p>

<p>Follow us on twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/IncrementsPod" rel="nofollow">@IncrementsPod</a> and on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow">Youtube</a>.  </p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In what is hopefully the last installment of Vaden and Ben debate Effective Altruism, we ask if EA lies on the cultishness (yes, that&#39;s a word) spectrum.  We discuss: </p>

<ul>
<li>The potential pitfall of having goodness as a core value</li>
<li>Aspects of Effective Altruism (EA) that put it on the cultishness spectrum</li>
<li>Does EA focus on good over truth?</li>
<li>Ben&#39;s experience with EA</li>
<li>Making criticism a core value </li>
<li>How does one resist the allure of groupthink? </li>
<li>How to (mis)behave at parties </li>
<li>How would one create a movement which doesn&#39;t succumb to cult-like dynamics?</li>
<li>Weird ideas as junk food </li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Error Correction intro segment</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>Scott Alexander pointing out that Ivermectin works indirectly via:</li>
</ul>

<p><em>There’s a reason the most impressive ivermectin studies came from parts of the world where worms are prevalent, he says. Parasites suppress the immune system, making it more difficult for the human body to fight off viruses. Thus, getting rid of worm infections makes it easier for COVID-19 patients to bounce back from the virus.</em></p>

<p>See full post below and summary news article <a href="https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/everyone-was-wrong-about-ivermectin/ar-AAQRURP" rel="nofollow">here</a> </p>

<ul>
<li>Czechoslovakia was not a part of the USSR</li>
<li> @lukeconibear pointing out some climate models and data are publicly available. See for instance

<ul>
<li>Goddard Earth Observing System (GEOS) Chem model: <a href="https://github.com/geoschem/geos-chem" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/geoschem/geos-chem</a></li>
<li>Community Earth System Model (CESM): <a href="https://github.com/ESCOMP/CESM" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/ESCOMP/CESM</a></li>
<li>Energy Exascale Earth System model: <a href="https://github.com/E3SM-Project/E3SM" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/E3SM-Project/E3SM</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>@PRyan pointing out we were confused about the difference between economic growth, division of labour, and free trade </li>
</ul>

<p>Join the movement at <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a>. </p>

<p>Follow us on twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/IncrementsPod" rel="nofollow">@IncrementsPod</a> and on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow">Youtube</a>.  </p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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