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    <title>Increments - Episodes Tagged with “Computer Science”</title>
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    <pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2020 11:00:00 -0700</pubDate>
    <description>Vaden Masrani, a senior research scientist in machine learning, and Ben Chugg, a PhD student in statistics, get into trouble arguing about everything except machine learning and statistics. Coherence is somewhere on the horizon. 
Bribes, suggestions, love-mail and hate-mail all welcome at incrementspodcast@gmail.com. 
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    <itunes:summary>Vaden Masrani, a senior research scientist in machine learning, and Ben Chugg, a PhD student in statistics, get into trouble arguing about everything except machine learning and statistics. Coherence is somewhere on the horizon. 
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  <title>#4 - The Hubris of Computer Scientists</title>
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  <author>Ben Chugg and Vaden Masrani</author>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Are computer scientists recklessly applying their methods to other fields without sufficient thoughtfulness? What are computer scientists good for anyway? Ben, in true masochistic fashion, worries that computer scientists are overstepping their bounds. Vaden analyzes his worries with a random forest and determines that they are only 10% accurate, but then proceeds to piss of his entire field by arguing that we're nowhere close to true artificial intelligence. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;em&gt;References&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;li&gt;"&lt;a href="https://www.benzevgreen.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/19-ai4sg.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Good" isn't good enough&lt;/a&gt;, Ben Green. &lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;a href="https://aeon.co/essays/how-close-are-we-to-creating-artificial-intelligence" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;"How close are we to creating artificial intelligence?"&lt;/a&gt;, David Deutsch, Aeon&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
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&lt;a href="https://medium.com/@mijordan3/artificial-intelligence-the-revolution-hasnt-happened-yet-5e1d5812e1e7" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;"Artificial Intelligence - The Revolution Hasn't Happened Yet"&lt;/a&gt;, Michael Jordan, Medium&lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckogtfn6zaI" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;"Deep Learning: A Critical Appraisal"&lt;/a&gt;, Gary Marcus&lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;em&gt;Errata &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Vaden says "every logarithmic curve starts with exponential growth". This should be "every logistic curve stats with exponential growth". &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Vaden says "95 degree accuracy". This should be "95 percent accuracy." &lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;li&gt;The three main &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalism#:~:text=In%20philosophy%2C%20rationalism%20is%20the,source%20of%20knowledge%20or%20justification%22." target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;rationalists&lt;/a&gt; were Descarte, Spinoza, and Leibniz, and the three main &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empiricism" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;empiricists&lt;/a&gt; were Bacon, Locke, and Hume. (Not whatever Vaden said)&lt;/li&gt;
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    <![CDATA[<p><p>Are computer scientists recklessly applying their methods to other fields without sufficient thoughtfulness? What are computer scientists good for anyway? Ben, in true masochistic fashion, worries that computer scientists are overstepping their bounds. Vaden analyzes his worries with a random forest and determines that they are only 10% accurate, but then proceeds to piss of his entire field by arguing that we&apos;re nowhere close to true artificial intelligence. <br/><br/><b><em>References</em></b></p><ul><li>&quot;<a href='https://www.benzevgreen.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/19-ai4sg.pdf'>Good&quot; isn&apos;t good enough</a>, Ben Green. </li><li><a href='https://aeon.co/essays/how-close-are-we-to-creating-artificial-intelligence'>&quot;How close are we to creating artificial intelligence?&quot;</a>, David Deutsch, Aeon</li><li><a href='https://medium.com/@mijordan3/artificial-intelligence-the-revolution-hasnt-happened-yet-5e1d5812e1e7'>&quot;Artificial Intelligence - The Revolution Hasn&apos;t Happened Yet&quot;</a>, Michael Jordan, Medium</li><li><a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckogtfn6zaI'>&quot;Deep Learning: A Critical Appraisal&quot;</a>, Gary Marcus</li></ul><p><br/><b><em>Errata </em></b></p><ul><li>Vaden says &quot;every logarithmic curve starts with exponential growth&quot;. This should be &quot;every logistic curve stats with exponential growth&quot;. </li><li>Vaden says &quot;95 degree accuracy&quot;. This should be &quot;95 percent accuracy.&quot; </li><li>The three main <a href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalism#:~:text=In%20philosophy%2C%20rationalism%20is%20the,source%20of%20knowledge%20or%20justification%22.'>rationalists</a> were Descarte, Spinoza, and Leibniz, and the three main <a href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empiricism'>empiricists</a> were Bacon, Locke, and Hume. (Not whatever Vaden said)</li><li> </li></ul></p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p><p>Are computer scientists recklessly applying their methods to other fields without sufficient thoughtfulness? What are computer scientists good for anyway? Ben, in true masochistic fashion, worries that computer scientists are overstepping their bounds. Vaden analyzes his worries with a random forest and determines that they are only 10% accurate, but then proceeds to piss of his entire field by arguing that we&apos;re nowhere close to true artificial intelligence. <br/><br/><b><em>References</em></b></p><ul><li>&quot;<a href='https://www.benzevgreen.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/19-ai4sg.pdf'>Good&quot; isn&apos;t good enough</a>, Ben Green. </li><li><a href='https://aeon.co/essays/how-close-are-we-to-creating-artificial-intelligence'>&quot;How close are we to creating artificial intelligence?&quot;</a>, David Deutsch, Aeon</li><li><a href='https://medium.com/@mijordan3/artificial-intelligence-the-revolution-hasnt-happened-yet-5e1d5812e1e7'>&quot;Artificial Intelligence - The Revolution Hasn&apos;t Happened Yet&quot;</a>, Michael Jordan, Medium</li><li><a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckogtfn6zaI'>&quot;Deep Learning: A Critical Appraisal&quot;</a>, Gary Marcus</li></ul><p><br/><b><em>Errata </em></b></p><ul><li>Vaden says &quot;every logarithmic curve starts with exponential growth&quot;. This should be &quot;every logistic curve stats with exponential growth&quot;. </li><li>Vaden says &quot;95 degree accuracy&quot;. This should be &quot;95 percent accuracy.&quot; </li><li>The three main <a href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalism#:~:text=In%20philosophy%2C%20rationalism%20is%20the,source%20of%20knowledge%20or%20justification%22.'>rationalists</a> were Descarte, Spinoza, and Leibniz, and the three main <a href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empiricism'>empiricists</a> were Bacon, Locke, and Hume. (Not whatever Vaden said)</li><li> </li></ul></p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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