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    <description>Vaden Masrani, a senior research scientist in machine learning, and Ben Chugg, a PhD student in statistics, get into trouble arguing about everything except machine learning and statistics. Coherence is somewhere on the horizon. 
Bribes, suggestions, love-mail and hate-mail all welcome at incrementspodcast@gmail.com. 
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    <itunes:summary>Vaden Masrani, a senior research scientist in machine learning, and Ben Chugg, a PhD student in statistics, get into trouble arguing about everything except machine learning and statistics. Coherence is somewhere on the horizon. 
Bribes, suggestions, love-mail and hate-mail all welcome at incrementspodcast@gmail.com. 
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  <title>#60 - Creativity and Computational Universality (with Bruce Nielson) </title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>Bruce Nielsen makes his first appearance on the podcast to push us on machine intelligence and creativity, computational universality, Roger Penrose, and everything in between! </itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>Today we [finally] have on someone who actually knows what they're actually talking about: Mr. Bruce Nielson of the excellent Theory of Anything Podcast. We bring him on to straighten us out on the topics of creativity, machine intelligence, Turing machines, and computational universality - We build upon our previous conversation way back in Ask Us Anything I: Computation and Creativity (https://www.incrementspodcast.com/52), and suggest listening to that episode first. 
Go follow Bruce on twitter (https://twitter.com/bnielson01) and check out his Theory of Anything Podcast here (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-theory-of-anything/id1503194218). 
(Also Vaden's audio was acting up a bit in this episode, we humbly seek forgiveness.) 
We discuss
Does theorem proving count as creativity?
Is AlphaGo creative?
Determinism, predictability, and chaos theory
Essentialism and a misunderstanding of definitions
Animal memes and understanding
Turing Machines and computational universality
Penrose's "proof" that we need new physics 
References
Ask Us Anything I: Computation and Creativity (https://www.incrementspodcast.com/52) (Listen first!)
Logic theorist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic_Theorist) 
AlphaGo movie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaGo_(film)) 
Socials
Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani
Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link
Help us fund more 64 minute-long blog posts and get exclusive bonus content by becoming a patreon subscriber here (https://www.patreon.com/Increments). Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations here (https://ko-fi.com/increments).
Click dem like buttons on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ)
Create us up an email with something imaginatively rote, cliche and formulaic, and mail that creative stinker over to incrementspodcast@gmail.com
 Special Guest: Bruce Nielson.
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    <![CDATA[<p>Today we [finally] have on someone who actually knows what they&#39;re actually talking about: Mr. Bruce Nielson of the excellent Theory of Anything Podcast. We bring him on to straighten us out on the topics of creativity, machine intelligence, Turing machines, and computational universality - We build upon our previous conversation way back in <a href="https://www.incrementspodcast.com/52" rel="nofollow">Ask Us Anything I: Computation and Creativity</a>, and suggest listening to that episode first. </p>

<p>Go follow Bruce on twitter (<a href="https://twitter.com/bnielson01" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/bnielson01</a>) and check out his Theory of Anything Podcast <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-theory-of-anything/id1503194218" rel="nofollow">here</a>. </p>

<p>(Also Vaden&#39;s audio was acting up a bit in this episode, we humbly seek forgiveness.) </p>

<h1>We discuss</h1>

<ul>
<li>Does theorem proving count as creativity?</li>
<li>Is AlphaGo creative?</li>
<li>Determinism, predictability, and chaos theory</li>
<li>Essentialism and a misunderstanding of definitions</li>
<li>Animal memes and understanding</li>
<li>Turing Machines and computational universality</li>
<li>Penrose&#39;s &quot;proof&quot; that we need new physics </li>
</ul>

<h1>References</h1>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.incrementspodcast.com/52" rel="nofollow">Ask Us Anything I: Computation and Creativity</a> (Listen first!)</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic_Theorist" rel="nofollow">Logic theorist</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaGo_(film)" rel="nofollow">AlphaGo movie</a> </li>
</ul>

<h1>Socials</h1>

<ul>
<li>Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani</li>
<li>Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link</li>
<li>Help us fund more 64 minute-long blog posts and get exclusive bonus content by becoming a patreon subscriber <a href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations <a href="https://ko-fi.com/increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</li>
<li>Click dem like buttons on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow">youtube</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Create us up an email with something imaginatively rote, cliche and formulaic, and mail that creative stinker over to <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a></p><p>Special Guest: Bruce Nielson.</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Today we [finally] have on someone who actually knows what they&#39;re actually talking about: Mr. Bruce Nielson of the excellent Theory of Anything Podcast. We bring him on to straighten us out on the topics of creativity, machine intelligence, Turing machines, and computational universality - We build upon our previous conversation way back in <a href="https://www.incrementspodcast.com/52" rel="nofollow">Ask Us Anything I: Computation and Creativity</a>, and suggest listening to that episode first. </p>

<p>Go follow Bruce on twitter (<a href="https://twitter.com/bnielson01" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/bnielson01</a>) and check out his Theory of Anything Podcast <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-theory-of-anything/id1503194218" rel="nofollow">here</a>. </p>

<p>(Also Vaden&#39;s audio was acting up a bit in this episode, we humbly seek forgiveness.) </p>

<h1>We discuss</h1>

<ul>
<li>Does theorem proving count as creativity?</li>
<li>Is AlphaGo creative?</li>
<li>Determinism, predictability, and chaos theory</li>
<li>Essentialism and a misunderstanding of definitions</li>
<li>Animal memes and understanding</li>
<li>Turing Machines and computational universality</li>
<li>Penrose&#39;s &quot;proof&quot; that we need new physics </li>
</ul>

<h1>References</h1>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.incrementspodcast.com/52" rel="nofollow">Ask Us Anything I: Computation and Creativity</a> (Listen first!)</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic_Theorist" rel="nofollow">Logic theorist</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaGo_(film)" rel="nofollow">AlphaGo movie</a> </li>
</ul>

<h1>Socials</h1>

<ul>
<li>Follow us on Twitter at @IncrementsPod, @BennyChugg, @VadenMasrani</li>
<li>Come join our discord server! DM us on twitter or send us an email to get a supersecret link</li>
<li>Help us fund more 64 minute-long blog posts and get exclusive bonus content by becoming a patreon subscriber <a href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Or give us one-time cash donations to help cover our lack of cash donations <a href="https://ko-fi.com/increments" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</li>
<li>Click dem like buttons on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_4wZzQyoW4s4ZuE4FY9DQQ" rel="nofollow">youtube</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Create us up an email with something imaginatively rote, cliche and formulaic, and mail that creative stinker over to <a href="mailto:incrementspodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">incrementspodcast@gmail.com</a></p><p>Special Guest: Bruce Nielson.</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/Increments">Support Increments</a></p>]]>
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